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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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beguilingeyes · 24/07/2025 16:22

'anti-establishment' my arse.
Would that be privately educated, ex-city trader Nigel Farage by any chance? Or multi-millionaire, went to Uppingham Richard Tice....?

Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 16:21

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 16:18

You're free to vote for whoever you choose. That's how our democracy works.

I'm free to think that you're an idiot to vote for a party that will make your already difficult life much harder for you.

But you go ahead. Ultimately, the electorate gets the quality of government that it deserves.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves nice to see insult me for a second time!

I am free to vote as choose as are you. Im not abusive like you are though.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 16:18

Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 16:12

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves Dont insult me, you are part of the problem if you think this and you are part of the problem/reason we only get 1 of 2 parties and none of the county issues are ever dealt with.

Under labour and tories, immigration has rocketed public services dont work and the cost of living crisis which has been forgotten means I can just about barely afford bills when I work a million hours a week. On HMRC app for my tax apart from the NHS most of my tax goes on welfare and I bet a lot of people it goes on people who choose not to work

How can I not vote for a third party to see how the perform when the existing two are so shockingly bad?

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You're free to vote for whoever you choose. That's how our democracy works.

I'm free to think that you're an idiot to vote for a party that will make your already difficult life much harder for you.

But you go ahead. Ultimately, the electorate gets the quality of government that it deserves.

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 16:16

People who sneer at other people's voting choice are a real problem. It tends to be the Left Wing who cannot possibly understand why people dont think as they do.

Who are they to feel sorry for people who dont vote in the same way as them?

Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 16:12

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 15:48

When this is the level of thinking amongst the electorate, it's hard not to lose hope really. How can we have hope for the future of the country when this is the level of reasoning that people apply to their choices?

I am torn between feeling furious with people like this and simultaneously feeling really sorry for them.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves Dont insult me, you are part of the problem if you think this and you are part of the problem/reason we only get 1 of 2 parties and none of the county issues are ever dealt with.

Under labour and tories, immigration has rocketed public services dont work and the cost of living crisis which has been forgotten means I can just about barely afford bills when I work a million hours a week. On HMRC app for my tax apart from the NHS most of my tax goes on welfare and I bet a lot of people it goes on people who choose not to work

How can I not vote for a third party to see how the perform when the existing two are so shockingly bad?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 16:04

Krytococker · 24/07/2025 16:00

Farage wants to ban abortion? Really? I didn’t know that.

I don't think he has explicitly said that he wants to ban it, but he has certainly expressed a wish to restrict it.

WitchesofPainswick · 24/07/2025 16:03

Krytococker · 24/07/2025 16:00

Farage wants to ban abortion? Really? I didn’t know that.

He will have American backers offering him significant benefits if he takes this line!

SaywhatIthink · 24/07/2025 16:00

It feels like the UK is just an experiment for the government now.
like a play and we are all back roles.

Krytococker · 24/07/2025 16:00

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 13:23

Farage wants to make America light. He wants to ban abortion. He wants to stoke culture division and race wars. He wants to go down in the history books and he doesn’t care what for.

Farage wants to ban abortion? Really? I didn’t know that.

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 15:49

Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 15:37

I want Reform win I voted for them last time

They wont fix immigration or do right but it will give Labour and Tories a kick up the a** to stop ignoring general public

That's what people said about Brexit.

That turned out well.

Cattenberg · 24/07/2025 15:48

Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 15:37

I want Reform win I voted for them last time

They wont fix immigration or do right but it will give Labour and Tories a kick up the a** to stop ignoring general public

Careful, I think this could backfire very badly. In fact, given the general lack of experience of Reform candidates and the odd and offensive comments a few of them have made, it could backfire in weird and extraordinary ways that we can't yet foresee.

As well as the recent racist comments made by Reform candidates, I'll never forget the UKIP local government candidate from a few years back who wanted to ban golf courses and bring back the guillotine!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 15:48

Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 15:37

I want Reform win I voted for them last time

They wont fix immigration or do right but it will give Labour and Tories a kick up the a** to stop ignoring general public

When this is the level of thinking amongst the electorate, it's hard not to lose hope really. How can we have hope for the future of the country when this is the level of reasoning that people apply to their choices?

I am torn between feeling furious with people like this and simultaneously feeling really sorry for them.

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 24/07/2025 15:44

Reform will happen in the UK for the same reasons Trump is happening in the US. Because poor white people do not feel listened to or fairly treated in what they consider their own country.

Whether this is right or wrong it must be addressed. Personally I think concerns should be addressed before rioting stage but he we are.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:40

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:14

The rnli are getting paid for these rescues by the government. It wouldn't be possible otherwise

And which government is going to sanction the RNLI or even the Navy to stand guard and allow kids to die or worse sink the boats which would be sanctioning the murder of civilians. They can’t slash the boats on French soil as that’s not our land. The only way to solve it is to stop the people smugglers or cooperate with Europe to stop the travel of people across the landmass or of course stop the people from wanting to come by burning down hotels and talking about mass deportation.

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Greens0172 · 24/07/2025 15:37

I want Reform win I voted for them last time

They wont fix immigration or do right but it will give Labour and Tories a kick up the a** to stop ignoring general public

Julen7 · 24/07/2025 15:34

EasternStandard · 24/07/2025 13:56

Labour pledged to stop using hotels anyway. It looks like they’ve messed up on the gang thing so yes they’ll probably see Reform gain from that.

Why pledge to stop hotels and then immediately make use of more hotels? Is he stupid?

Julen7 · 24/07/2025 15:31

IdaGlossop · 24/07/2025 13:30

What a ridiculous statement. While Labour's actions may be deeply unpopular, there is no waging a war on the citizens of the UK.

I’m afraid many people think there is.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 15:31

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:14

The rnli are getting paid for these rescues by the government. It wouldn't be possible otherwise

What's your evidence for this?

Because all the information that I can find suggests otherwise.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 15:26

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 15:21

We want the Nordic Countries excellent public services but dont want to pay for it personally (insert VERY good reasons why the extra tax shouldnt come from you!). We want others to pay. Amazon, rich people, businesses large and small - anyone but me!

Personally, I'd be very happy to pay more tax for better public services.

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 15:21

We want the Nordic Countries excellent public services but dont want to pay for it personally (insert VERY good reasons why the extra tax shouldnt come from you!). We want others to pay. Amazon, rich people, businesses large and small - anyone but me!

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 15:20

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 14:56

That comment doesn’t help does it? You are sweeping me into a far right bracket because I am a conservative voter. All that does is push people who are politically pretty middle leaning into a far right position which is what is happening all over social media.

So you say Reform is far right but you will still be happy to see them form a government with the Tories?

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:19

Cattenberg · 24/07/2025 15:11

I have worked for at least three public sector organisations (depends how you count them as some have merged)! We've had re-organisation after re-organisation, each resulting in at least 90 redundancies. I've seen departments merge, whole organisations merge, jobs evaluated, regraded, or changed beyond recognition, new organisational structures created by expensive management consultants... you name it, they've tried it. Needless to say, most of the "nice to have" non-statutory services were cut years ago.

Many local authorities can no longer no longer make ends meet. Not due to financial mismanagement, but mainly because the model of social care funding simply doesn't work. Local authorities have complex statutory obligations regarding social services and the demand has increased enormously over the last few years (mainly due to an ageing population and an increase in those with complex care needs). Council incomes haven't increased by enough to cover this and selling their assets will merely buy them some time. I've also heard many anecdotes of family members being pressured to become full-time carers, even though this would force them to give up their own jobs and rely on Carer's Allowance.

The crisis in social care funding is impacting on the NHS, which was already struggling. Some of the waiting lists are unacceptable and in our area at least, urgent referrals for patients with suspected cancer are no longer on the "two-week-pathway" but a new "28-day-pathway". Also, our local hospital is in a poor state and has needed rebuilding for decades. Successive governments have agreed, but the money has never materialised.

I think we should have discussions about the kind of public services we want. For example, do we want the "Ryanair model" (as I heard proposed by management consultants), whereby taxes are low, and statutory services are extremely limited, but all "extras" are expensive and must be paid for privately? Or do we want the model of high tax but excellent public services favoured by the Nordic Countries?

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When my son worked in Norwegian territory for an international firm he paid Norwegian taxes. They're quite resolute in that way.

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:16

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 15:13

But it is absolutely true that Reform won't get a majority in Wales next year. Not unless its share of the vote soars to at least 45%. Under current polling, Reform wouldn’t even secure a majority via coalition with the Welsh Tories.

The local by-election in Wales last week saw Reform come third, btw.

I am not playing down the threat from Reform, but I think we need to keep calm.

I admit to being surprised when Port Talbot voted Labour again after the furore with their steel works.

Absentmindedsmile · 24/07/2025 15:16

@WitchesofPainswick That was one aspect of it I think, it was a multi pronged approach. Seemed to work from the stats. I’m no expert.

Use France since they’re the ones who wave people through in the first place. Brittany have lots of space… Corsica.. Scottish highlands.. loads of islands up there..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

Operation Sovereign Borders - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:14

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:00

The RNLI will not stop helping the migrant boats as that’s literally what their job is - saving lives or preventing the loss of life. The French have no interest in preventing the launching of ships filled with young men as it takes them away from France. The only reason the camps used to exist on French soil was because we were part of the EU and had an agreement with them. Directly we left the EU we terminated this relationship and they were literally just waving them through. I think we now pay France to do something but I don’t know what.

The rnli are getting paid for these rescues by the government. It wouldn't be possible otherwise