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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

916 replies

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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Livpool · 24/07/2025 17:36

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 17:32

You're not allowed to equate Reform supporters with Nazis. Doing so magically makes non-Reform supporters turn into Reform supporters.

Or something

I’m not but that is how is starts - the Nazis started out emboldening people who felt oppressed. Were they actually oppressed or did the Nazis just focus on the fears - those evil male migrants raping our daughters. Then it is ALL migrants. Then all non-white people…

History repeats itself.

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 17:32

Livpool · 24/07/2025 17:26

Well some people in Germany were equally as enthralled by the Nazi party in the 30s…

You're not allowed to equate Reform supporters with Nazis. Doing so magically makes non-Reform supporters turn into Reform supporters.

Or something

Livpool · 24/07/2025 17:28

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 16:51

He wants to ‘reopen a conversation’.

What conversation is needed exactly?! Abortion is healthcare for women

Livpool · 24/07/2025 17:26

loopyloulou87 · 24/07/2025 13:15

I for one can’t wait for reform to take over. I voted for them last time and I will next time too.

Well some people in Germany were equally as enthralled by the Nazi party in the 30s…

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 17:25

woodlandcalm · 24/07/2025 17:07

Some properties have been confirmed by landlords, some the residents themselves and sometimes just obvious - a group of men speaking little or no English suddenly appearing in a rented house or hmo and spending most of the day sat on a garden wall, park or town centre, it's not a wild leap of fancy. This is NW England.

So you speak to these men and you know where they live? Where are you in NW England?

WideOpenBeaches · 24/07/2025 17:20

We’ll just have a re run of what is happening in the US.

It’ll be the mother of all sh*t shows.

If this happens, I’m out of the UK. I’ve been exploring opportunities…

cremedelacraps · 24/07/2025 17:12

Nigel is in favour of migration isn't he? He's a capitalist after all.

MyNameIsX · 24/07/2025 17:08

If there is a God, and He is merciful, yes.

woodlandcalm · 24/07/2025 17:07

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 16:56

How do you know the men filming and approaching young girls are asylum seekers? Where is it that you live?

Some properties have been confirmed by landlords, some the residents themselves and sometimes just obvious - a group of men speaking little or no English suddenly appearing in a rented house or hmo and spending most of the day sat on a garden wall, park or town centre, it's not a wild leap of fancy. This is NW England.

Soulfulunfurling · 24/07/2025 17:05

There is a WINDOW of opportunity, do I think Labour will be bold and take it on, I wish, but I doubt it.

Soulfulunfurling · 24/07/2025 17:04

I am sorry to say that unless Labour step up now - as in right now - and make some really drastic decisions that will work, it is a done deal. The alternative is actually worse as I see it - where we will see sustained civil unrest.

Reform as I see it are the only thing keeping some sections of society quiet. They are at least representing these people.

I do so want to keep our beautiful peace, our constructive and most cohesive country in tact. We clearly can not go on. Some hard decisions will have to be made at a political level.

Boohoo76 · 24/07/2025 17:03

Crikeyalmighty · 24/07/2025 13:36

@twistyizzy get your facts right ! He was neither privately educated nor went to oxford for 1st degree, went for his post grad

Reigate Grammar was a direct grant grammar school. It was always partially private, that’s how they worked. Keir Starmer’s fees were paid by the local authority both before and after it returned to independent status when the direct grant grammar schools were abolished.

EasternStandard · 24/07/2025 17:02

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 16:29

It simply isn't true that "everyone" is labelled "far right" these days. Nor is it true to say that everyone who expresses concern about immigration is labelled "far right".

However, it is true that more people are being labelled "far right" these days, because there are growing numbers of people openly expressing far right views.

If someone is calling you "far right", maybe it's time to reflect on what you're saying and why it might be interpreted in that way.

Would you say controlling borders eg with Aus type us is ‘far right’?

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 16:59

SaywhatIthink · 24/07/2025 16:00

It feels like the UK is just an experiment for the government now.
like a play and we are all back roles.

An experiment in what? What is it specifically this government are doing that troubles you?

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 16:56

woodlandcalm · 24/07/2025 16:52

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves @Nchangeo In my small town, it's not hotels but residential rentals being utilised (probably moving out from hotels ironically). Small town, lack of investment and opportunities to begin with and now girls and young women are being filmed and approached in parks and on their own streets. This isn't one bad apple but appears routine behaviour by many asylum seekers and going unchecked.

The local police, MP, and Home Office are not responding to complaints, and that's before other concerns including shoplifting and impact on local resources.

Perhaps my town is unlucky with the attitudes in the groups being located here, but I suspect similar scenarios are playing out across the country and not being tackled by government is playing right into Reforms dreams.

How do you know the men filming and approaching young girls are asylum seekers? Where is it that you live?

User32459 · 24/07/2025 16:55

Labour need to go

woodlandcalm · 24/07/2025 16:52

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves @Nchangeo In my small town, it's not hotels but residential rentals being utilised (probably moving out from hotels ironically). Small town, lack of investment and opportunities to begin with and now girls and young women are being filmed and approached in parks and on their own streets. This isn't one bad apple but appears routine behaviour by many asylum seekers and going unchecked.

The local police, MP, and Home Office are not responding to complaints, and that's before other concerns including shoplifting and impact on local resources.

Perhaps my town is unlucky with the attitudes in the groups being located here, but I suspect similar scenarios are playing out across the country and not being tackled by government is playing right into Reforms dreams.

IdaGlossop · 24/07/2025 16:51

Julen7 · 24/07/2025 15:31

I’m afraid many people think there is.

I know many people think Labour are waging war on British people. That doesn't make it any the less an absurd idea.

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 16:51

Krytococker · 24/07/2025 16:00

Farage wants to ban abortion? Really? I didn’t know that.

He wants to ‘reopen a conversation’.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/07/2025 16:46

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 16:29

It simply isn't true that "everyone" is labelled "far right" these days. Nor is it true to say that everyone who expresses concern about immigration is labelled "far right".

However, it is true that more people are being labelled "far right" these days, because there are growing numbers of people openly expressing far right views.

If someone is calling you "far right", maybe it's time to reflect on what you're saying and why it might be interpreted in that way.

I agree, maybe not ‘everyone’ but lots are, for having perfectly legitimate views that aren’t far right, from far left leaning people just because you highlight ANY problem or potential issues with migrants.

Or maybe if you’re the one (not you individually) calling people far right you should actually stop and listen to what they’re saying than be quick to label.

There are posters on here who call women wanting to retain single sex spaces and recognising you can’t change sex as ‘far right’. Doesn’t stop and make me reflect on my views as I know they are loons.

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 16:36

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 14:55

It's a small town.

And yes, the young men often have nothing to do. It is really bad for their mental health, but unfortunately, they are not allowed to work. We could fix that if we wanted to.

I used to work with the young asylum seekers living locally. My young adult volunteered with them for an extended period as well. Neither she nor I ever had any bad experiences... the young men were nothing but polite and respectful, even though my dd was young and very pretty. Many of them had experienced a horrific amount of trauma, and they just wanted to rebuild their lives in a safe place. They didn't present a risk to anyone, really.

I do completely understand people being distressed and angry about a teenager being sexually assaulted, of course, but the only the perpetrator is responsible for that. It isn't fair to blame all the other asylum seekers who have done nothing wrong.

I am sure individually these migrants stories are harrowing. And anyone, even the most hardened anti immigration bloke down the pub would likely have a beer with them and be slapping their back saying you’re one of us - your one of the good ones - your welcome here.

And it’s true. They are human just like us. And the majority are not criminals.

But this is not about one migrant in a pub. This is about tens of thousands of illegal immigrants and hundred of thousands of legal ones. 1 million per year of non-eu migrants in years ending 23 and 24. It is a critical mass point.

And yes your right the comparatively tiny number of migrants in these male only hotels are not the root cause of this wider migration issue, nor of our societal decline. But when you live next to a hotel they are the ones most likely to be sat outside your front door.

I don’t know the answer but I get the problem. And if someone doesn’t do something we will have reform voted in or something worse. They probably won’t solve this immigration problem but they will do stupid other things like ‘reopen a conversation’ on abortion, and god forbid PPs other insane ideas from these councillors of trying to ban golf courses or bring back the guillotine. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if they wanted to allow people to carry arms. This country will then be no better than the ones these migrants are fleeing.

woodlandcalm · 24/07/2025 16:32

Many will vote based on what they perceive as the most important issue for them directly and asylum seekers being dumped in small towns and seemingly going unchecked is a huge worry for many. Being ignored or called racist for expressing worries is also fanning the flames now.

Talk of stopping the unknown smuggler gangs is just noise, the party who offers to tackle head-on will get the votes. It's that simple.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 16:29

Dappy777 · 24/07/2025 16:22

Well you could start by not calling people concerned about mass immigration far-right. For crying out loud, everyone is labelled far-right these days. I actually saw someone who wanted to deport an illegal immigrant convicted of rape labelled ‘faaaaaaar-right’. It’s insane. Any rational person (obviously I don’t include brainwashed members of the left-wing cult in that) can see that these boatloads of young men are not “frightened refugees fleeing war and persecution.” They are a mix of economic migrants, criminals and rootless drifters. This pressure on Europe’s borders isn’t going away. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world, and the African population is going to double - just as climate change starts causing chaos. Either mainstream politicians crack down and deport people with no right to be here, or you really will see far-right parties gain power.

It simply isn't true that "everyone" is labelled "far right" these days. Nor is it true to say that everyone who expresses concern about immigration is labelled "far right".

However, it is true that more people are being labelled "far right" these days, because there are growing numbers of people openly expressing far right views.

If someone is calling you "far right", maybe it's time to reflect on what you're saying and why it might be interpreted in that way.

Alowl · 24/07/2025 16:24

But there is lawlessness. Shoplifting is rife.
Drugs everywhere. The smell of weed is everywhere.
Anti social behaviour everywhere.
I have a family member who works in a small Tesco and shoplifting is rife and obviously the staff can’t do anything, not safe. Police don’t come because under £100.

Dappy777 · 24/07/2025 16:22

Well you could start by not calling people concerned about mass immigration far-right. For crying out loud, everyone is labelled far-right these days. I actually saw someone who wanted to deport an illegal immigrant convicted of rape labelled ‘faaaaaaar-right’. It’s insane. Any rational person (obviously I don’t include brainwashed members of the left-wing cult in that) can see that these boatloads of young men are not “frightened refugees fleeing war and persecution.” They are a mix of economic migrants, criminals and rootless drifters. This pressure on Europe’s borders isn’t going away. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world, and the African population is going to double - just as climate change starts causing chaos. Either mainstream politicians crack down and deport people with no right to be here, or you really will see far-right parties gain power.