This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

And Covid. I'm not saying that it was false, but there was certainly deliberate creating of fear and panic, for very different reasons. This media trick is now getting old. And it also means that if there's a genuine emergency, lots of people (like me) will be saying "yeah, whatever".

Here is an example:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45919730

Yes, some are openly calling themselves neo-nazis, and they were present in Epping.

Yes we are

Next year's Senedd elections will be a good indicator. Reform will give Welsh Labour quite a hiding, although aren't likely to take power.

Really? Do they call themselves neo nazis? I have never seen an actual nazi in the U.K. in the 50 years I have lived here.

Neo nazis were present at the protest, ignoring that is not helping matters.

Whether ANY party is able to genuninely offer a solution remains to be seen..

Some of the worst criminal networks we deal with are from Eastern Europe. This isn’t about race, it’s about space. It’s about retaining quality of life and it’s about having security and order.

I don't think a Reform government would last six months, let alone 4 years. Look at the mess they are making at a local level after less than three months.

I would be happy to pay more for excellent t services.

My problem is I am not sure we would get them given if the government is in charge of them ! We don’t seem to have the skills or the set up for this.

We would need some serious lessons from the nordics to get there.

If this happens, I’m out of the UK. I’ve been exploring opportunities…

@WideOpenBeaches If Reform are elected and then booted out four years later, will you return to UK?
Will you keep any property in UK or will you move lock stock, and barrel?
What will happen if the country you’ve moved to then elects a right wing government?

Being antti racist is now being Far left?

And Farage already admitted he lied about counter protesters being bussed in.

I really think we should stop using the word nazi. It is really not helping matters.

Exactly. I’m surprised he wasn’t promising to make the Rwanda plan happen flawlessly as well.

I agree.

But unfortunately there are many who do not. Weirdly recently including a bunch of white British 16yos on tiktok (both male and female) who seem to think of this as some moral hypothetical quandary.

And then obviously there are sectors of society due to religion, culture or partiarchy/ misogyny who do not value women’s autonomy.

The former could vote Reform and their abortion conversation will be a bonus. Obviously the latter wouldnt be voting reform (as I am not talking about Christian fundamentalists here). However if this becomes a ‘national conversation’ then they will obviously be included in that.

It’s dangerous and not a conversation that needs to be had.

Why would I think that? Have I called anyone a Nazi on this thread? Nope.

Eta: I agree the asylum system is broken and has been for a long time. The Tories could have fixed it instead of piddling about with white elephants like Rwanda. How much money did they waste again?

Does the evidence that the protests have been orchestrated by neo nazi groups not concern you.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves does the fact the counter protests are organised by the far left not concern you?

Who is paying these people to act as neo nazis?

Absolute 100%. The issue was a youngster was SA and local mums were starting off protesting, same thing in Ireland. These so called neo nazi groups come, cause trouble and that ends up in the news instead of the issue that caused the protest in the first place! False flag if you ask me. I think it's all deliberate probably paid persons to undermine people's genuine concerns. Not really falling for this nonsense anymore.

You are being generous to Nigel Farage. Not only does he love the unrest, he is fuelling it by making sonorous pronouncements about the scale of unrest we should expect, and saying the police bussed pro-migration demonstrators to migrant-housing hotel in Epping when in fact they were moved out of the way of the local protesters for their safety.

Nigel Farage is loving all this unrest.
And how quickly people forget that the only reason we now have such big immigration numbers is BECAUSE of Nigel Farage and his beloved brexit. We swapped largely young single Europeans, in roughly equal numbers of M/F and who often go home after a few years for families from Africa and Asia who stay forever and get cousins over to marry their children when they grow up.
Exactly as predicted.

Yes ... The misinformation is out there too and the governments actual action isn't being shared by the right wing press. Reform don't have any actual solutions for it , just a load of rhetoric that can't be actioned

If someone thinks the asylum system is chaotic and lacking security do they fall into this often mentioned Nazi category?

If you can control borders what we have just look like an odd thing to want. Chaos on beaches in France and then here with hotels. It’s strange people think it’s a good system.