This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

clamping down on the black market, maximum fines for businesses employing people illegally etc that would very quickly get our numbers back down.

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

More effective than protesting outside a hotel housing asylum seekers.

I think that it would definitely have discouraged people, yes. I remember when the policy was being bounced around, I watched a journalist interviewing a potential immigrant on a French beach who was very knowledgeable about what was going on. The immigrant said that he didn't believe Rwands would go ahead, so it wasn't putting him off.

Potential asylum seekers are absolutely making rational, economic choices. The Left are hugely underestimating them - part of the weird racism the Left often display, where they see non-Westerners as Noble Savages for them to rescue.

If we implemented some of the suggestions by a pp above such as clamping down on the black market, maximum fines for businesses employing people illegally etc that would very quickly get our numbers back down.

Next year's Senedd elections will be a good indicator. Reform will give Welsh Labour quite a hiding, although aren't likely to take power.

I think that it would definitely have discouraged people, yes. I remember when the policy was being bounced around, I watched a journalist interviewing a potential immigrant on a French beach who was very knowledgeable about what was going on. The immigrant said that he didn't believe Rwands would go ahead, so it wasn't putting him off.

Potential asylum seekers are absolutely making rational, economic choices. The Left are hugely underestimating them - part of the weird racism the Left often display, where they see non-Westerners as Noble Savages for them to rescue.

If we implemented some of the suggestions by a pp above such as clamping down on the black market, maximum fines for businesses employing people illegally etc that would very quickly get our numbers back down.

Do you really think 20,000 people would have been discouraged because the UK planned to send 300 people to Rwanda?

Safe and legal routes would discourage people risking their lives in a small boat.

For the majority of refugees, the only way to claim asylum is being on British soil. The Rwanda plan would not have changed that.

That's 20% of what we're currently spending on asylum seekers every year.

If it had discouraged just 20,000 asylum seekers it would have paid for itself. That's how much asylum seekers cost us.

That's 20% of what we're currently spending on asylum seekers every year.

If it had discouraged just 20,000 asylum seekers it would have paid for itself. That's how much asylum seekers cost us.

The £700m spent on the failed Rwanda plan would have gone a long way towards clearing the asylum backlog and ending the use of hotels.

£1.8m for each of the 300 asylum seekers

Farage had to sack one of his party last year when he was caught on video describing autistic people as 'vegetables'.

Kemi Badenoch said autistics have too many privileges, special treatments, and receive too much funding at her Conservative party conference in 2024.

The rhetoric of disabilities = scroungers has been underway since Cameron in 2010.

9000 of the 50,000 adults with Downs Syndrome had Do Not Resuscitate orders slapped into their health records by GPs in 2020-2022, when neither the adult nor their parents/carers/LPAs had been consulted or signed any legal documentation. Most of the patients were young and had no serious health risks that would warrant DNR.

This is what's coming.

A population of nearly 2 million people with developmental conditions and learning disabilities will be sifted into useful and parasite categories.

Farage/Tories will follow RFK and Trump, who are setting up an Autism Register via Trump's Project 2025 to figure out which autistic Americans are not paying taxes or being good little capitalist worker bees.

Just as Dr Hans Asperger did in 1930, under Hitler and the Nazi Party's orders.

It was called Aktion T4.

Idiot. Moron. Imbecile.

The first 2 classifications were sent to the Aktion T4 program and killed. The last classification were spared and used as medical experiments or cheap labour.

300,000 murdered.

The first victim of the Nazi concentration camps - the first person to be sentenced to death - was a 9 year old autistic boy.

A 'mental defective'.

Unfortunately for those of us with developmentalconditions, many of us will be unable to leave.

Farage and the Tories will re open the Imbecile Asylums closed down by Thatcher, as a cost saving exercise to house disabled children and adults, because they'd rather give developers money to build housing developments for cheap immigrant labour or middle class retirement villages, luxury apartments, and other naice schemes that benefit the rich.

The current ATU units will be expanded to keep us locked away from 'normal society' and we will be left to die.

Our peers with high and moderate support needs will be demonised as useless eaters, and slowly pushed out of sight.

This is the reality of a right wing future. It happened before, and will happen again if not stopped.

The disabled are the canary in the coal mine that everyone ignores. Quietly snuffed out while the rest of the country look away.

I'm not sure what your point is. "They did it in America therefore we shouldn't do it here?" - is that supposed to be it? I really couldn't care less about some US civil servants whining because they've lost their jobs. They can learn to weld.

You read my original comment correctly: I advocate a drastic and ruthless clear out of the Civil Service. I think if we went back to 2019 levels alone we'd be eliminating 10s of thousands - all added with zero effect on productivity.

We need a figurative bonfire of quangos, laws, and civil servants.

Of course Reform’s manifesto is written to hardworking people who are fed up. What did you expect? Should their manifesto be written for the upper classes or the hundreds of thousands of “asylum seekers” who will never contribute or the illegal migrants who don’t pay taxes?
And what do you mean they won’t be able to deliver it? Of course they will be. It is also outlined in the manifesto. Wake up!

This is at the heart of the problem the ‘ordinary’ people are seeing. Ordinary people are working hard, for no more money , their bills are higher, they are being taxed (stealthily) more and more and their public services are failing them. But they see, and I think everyone knows someone, people misusing the welfare state , not working, not contributing in any way with a higher standard of living and a lot less worries.
I read the Reform manifesto before the last election. It’s written for these people, it promises them Utopia. But anyone can write anything in a manifesto when they have no chance of having to deliver it.
I find the possibility of a Reform Government terrifying, but if the main parties want to avoid it, the y need to wake up, start being honest about the UK crises (plural) and start having done very difficult conversations.

I don't want to pay for more people who have and will never contribute.
I won't vote Reform though....

Farage had to sack one of his party last year when he was caught on video describing autistic people as 'vegetables'.

Kemi Badenoch said autistics have too many privileges, special treatments, and receive too much funding at her Conservative party conference in 2024.

The rhetoric of disabilities = scroungers has been underway since Cameron in 2010.

9000 of the 50,000 adults with Downs Syndrome had Do Not Resuscitate orders slapped into their health records by GPs in 2020-2022, when neither the adult nor their parents/carers/LPAs had been consulted or signed any legal documentation. Most of the patients were young and had no serious health risks that would warrant DNR.

This is what's coming.

A population of nearly 2 million people with developmental conditions and learning disabilities will be sifted into useful and parasite categories.

Farage/Tories will follow RFK and Trump, who are setting up an Autism Register via Trump's Project 2025 to figure out which autistic Americans are not paying taxes or being good little capitalist worker bees.

Just as Dr Hans Asperger did in 1930, under Hitler and the Nazi Party's orders.

It was called Aktion T4.

Idiot. Moron. Imbecile.

The first 2 classifications were sent to the Aktion T4 program and killed. The last classification were spared and used as medical experiments or cheap labour.

300,000 murdered.

The first victim of the Nazi concentration camps - the first person to be sentenced to death - was a 9 year old autistic boy.

A 'mental defective'.

Unfortunately for those of us with developmentalconditions, many of us will be unable to leave.

Farage and the Tories will re open the Imbecile Asylums closed down by Thatcher, as a cost saving exercise to house disabled children and adults, because they'd rather give developers money to build housing developments for cheap immigrant labour or middle class retirement villages, luxury apartments, and other naice schemes that benefit the rich.

The current ATU units will be expanded to keep us locked away from 'normal society' and we will be left to die.

Our peers with high and moderate support needs will be demonised as useless eaters, and slowly pushed out of sight.

This is the reality of a right wing future. It happened before, and will happen again if not stopped.

The disabled are the canary in the coal mine that everyone ignores. Quietly snuffed out while the rest of the country look away.

You do realise we all benefit from being part of the EHCR? It protects us from our own government should we need that.

Its astonishing how the media have managed to make some of us want to get rid of our own rights and protections that were hard won.