This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

The migrants are choosing to leave France and enter the UK. This isn't France's doing. In fact, if we took them back, then France could consider it Hybrid Warfare on our part.

The only sustainable solution is to stop the pull factor. It's completely in our power to unilaterally do that - if only our politicians choose to.

I don't have much hope for Labour though. It will mean facing down the Asylum lobby - all those refugee support organisations and human rights lawyers whose careers depend on the flow of Asylum seekers, and the Liberal Left whose self-worth depends on giving everything the UK has away.

Keir Starmer has crumbled under pressure every single time. Gaza is the latest. He doesn’t have the strength for this.

I'm beginning to think they are now purposely trying to lose the next election already! They've realised that they are collectively incompetent and aren't enjoying being in power as much as they thought they would as they now have to answer for their policies.
They want to go home to the opposition benches so are deliberately fucking everything up to ensure it happens.

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

When the Russians escort migrants to the Finnish border it is described as hybrid warfare and an attempt to destabilise Finland and Europe.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/14/finland-says-russia-is-helping-migrants-make-their-way-over-the-eastern-border

The French are doing exactly that to the UK.

Let's call this what it is - Hybrid Warfare upon the UK.

We have no obligation to respect French territorial waters in this scenario. Dump the migrants back on the French beaches.

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

'Stop the boats' is a political slogan to build momentum to address the issue. There is no single solution.

Realistic approaches that have helped elsewhere:

1. more safe and legal routes
2. smash the criminal networks
3. process claims much quicker
4. return or resettle them in safe countries
5. make their countries of origin more stable

However, some of these are unpopular, expensive, don't stop demand, harder to do post-Brexit, and long-term.

Controversial ideas:

1. deterrent-only policies e.g. send them to Rwanda
2. push boats back into the sea

These are unproven, carry risk of death.

Underlying reasons people migrate are climate change, inequality, conflict, crime.

To adress these longer-term, we need science, resource-sharing e.g. wealth redistribution, transfers of technology, and collaboration e.g. cross border policing and community/youth programmes.

'Stop the boats' is a political slogan to build momentum to address the issue. There is no single solution.

Realistic approaches that have helped elsewhere:

1. more safe and legal routes
2. smash the criminal networks
3. process claims much quicker
4. return or resettle them in safe countries
5. make their countries of origin more stable

However, some of these are unpopular, expensive, don't stop demand, harder to do post-Brexit, and long-term.

Controversial ideas:

1. deterrent-only policies e.g. send them to Rwanda
2. push boats back into the sea

These are unproven, carry risk of death.

Underlying reasons people migrate are climate change, inequality, conflict, crime.

To adress these longer-term, we need science, resource-sharing e.g. wealth redistribution, transfers of technology, and collaboration e.g. cross border policing and community/youth programmes.

'Stop the boats' is a political slogan to build momentum to address the issue. There is no single solution.

Realistic approaches that have helped elsewhere:

1. more safe and legal routes
2. smash the criminal networks
3. process claims much quicker
4. return or resettle them in safe countries
5. make their countries of origin more stable

However, some of these are unpopular, expensive, don't stop demand, harder to do post-Brexit, and long-term.

Controversial ideas:

1. deterrent-only policies e.g. send them to Rwanda
2. push boats back into the sea

These are unproven, carry risk of death.

Underlying reasons people migrate are climate change, inequality, conflict, crime.

To adress these longer-term, we need science, resource-sharing e.g. wealth redistribution, transfers of technology, and collaboration e.g. cross border policing and community/youth programmes.

There is no will with Labour that’s the trouble. Just tinkering at the edges. Extraordinary when they must know this issue will cost them the next election.

That's absolutely fine, we are happy with the double or even treble solution. All the solutions please.

How having more people will help the NHS numbers? The NHS is run down as there are too many wasteful initiatives and lots of people need the service. Less people may help.

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

So your husband/children get cancer and you can't afford treatment, but that's ok because there are no brown people on the bus?

I think the centre is shifting right. Labour needs to move towards the right, or hope that Reform and the conservatives split the vote more than Labour/LibDems/Greens/Corbyn are splitting the Left.

Escalating violence during the crossings is the wrong approach.

We already collect many of the incoming migrants, so we can just change what we do when they arrive - to apprehend them rather than putting them in open accomodation in the community. Also, a huge number come in undetected into small ports - so the number we're hearing about is hugely underestimated - and that needs a separate prong of approach.

The only solution is to stop the pull factor. That means preventing people from disappearing into the black economy, far lower asylum acceptance, and quick deportation to somewhere they won't make a second attempt from (not France).

The asylum system urgently needs to be revisited. It was designed as a response to people fleeing war in Europe - into other European countries - and with very low global economic migration. The world is totally different now.

I think we need to completely re-think who we want to keep offering asylum to. Short-term asylum from a country temporarily at war - where we expect migrants to return to their country in their lifetime - yes. Chaotic country where most of the population have a terrible life and want to leave - and the physical journey to the UK is the only barrier to a much better life for a large part of the population (under the current asylum system) - no. We're just creating a market place for traffickers.

Denmark has started unilaterally making some of these changes - we need to do the same. The other European countries will catch up soon enough - this global migration crisis is only going to get worse.

Then we also need speedy deportation: If not Rwanda, then somewhere else. Although not Albania like Italy is doing: that's close enough and lawless enough that it's likely to become even more of a hub of people-trafficking than it already is.

And critically, the route into the black economy needs to close. People are suggesting ID cards and employer checks, but I'm not convinced that we could make that effective without a high imposition on the whole population, which means it would inevitably be watered down to the point it was easy to side-step. And it would be very expensive to implement.

My preference would be immediate deportation to an offshore waiting centre, coupled with far higher checks and surveillance at all UK ports, and satellite surveillance to intercept unauthorised entry. It would be far easier and cheaper to impose stricter checks on incoming vessels than to impose stricter checks on all employers and residents in the UK! We're surrounded by sea: let's make use of that!

Escalating violence during the crossings is the wrong approach.

We already collect many of the incoming migrants, so we can just change what we do when they arrive - to apprehend them rather than putting them in open accomodation in the community. Also, a huge number come in undetected into small ports - so the number we're hearing about is hugely underestimated - and that needs a separate prong of approach.

The only solution is to stop the pull factor. That means preventing people from disappearing into the black economy, far lower asylum acceptance, and quick deportation to somewhere they won't make a second attempt from (not France).

The asylum system urgently needs to be revisited. It was designed as a response to people fleeing war in Europe - into other European countries - and with very low global economic migration. The world is totally different now.

I think we need to completely re-think who we want to keep offering asylum to. Short-term asylum from a country temporarily at war - where we expect migrants to return to their country in their lifetime - yes. Chaotic country where most of the population have a terrible life and want to leave - and the physical journey to the UK is the only barrier to a much better life for a large part of the population (under the current asylum system) - no. We're just creating a market place for traffickers.

Denmark has started unilaterally making some of these changes - we need to do the same. The other European countries will catch up soon enough - this global migration crisis is only going to get worse.

Then we also need speedy deportation: If not Rwanda, then somewhere else. Although not Albania like Italy is doing: that's close enough and lawless enough that it's likely to become even more of a hub of people-trafficking than it already is.

And critically, the route into the black economy needs to close. People are suggesting ID cards and employer checks, but I'm not convinced that we could make that effective without a high imposition on the whole population, which means it would inevitably be watered down to the point it was easy to side-step. And it would be very expensive to implement.

My preference would be immediate deportation to an offshore waiting centre, coupled with far higher checks and surveillance at all UK ports, and satellite surveillance to intercept unauthorised entry. It would be far easier and cheaper to impose stricter checks on incoming vessels than to impose stricter checks on all employers and residents in the UK! We're surrounded by sea: let's make use of that!

I think the centre is shifting right. Labour needs to move towards the right, or hope that Reform and the conservatives split the vote more than Labour/LibDems/Greens/Corbyn are splitting the Left.