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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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justasking111 · 30/07/2025 20:27

taxguru · 30/07/2025 20:14

Surely the French coastguard/lifeboats are responsible if they're not over half way across the channel? Why aren't they criticised if they don't and it's left to the UK's RNLI to rescue them?

Any ship, boat of any nationality is obliged to render assistance if they can .

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2025 20:24

taxguru · 30/07/2025 20:14

Surely the French coastguard/lifeboats are responsible if they're not over half way across the channel? Why aren't they criticised if they don't and it's left to the UK's RNLI to rescue them?

It's hybrid warfare by the French against the UK - at least that's what we call it when Putin does the same thing to Finland and Poland.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 20:21

suburburban · 30/07/2025 20:11

Yes why can’t we try something different.

the current policies aren’t working

i feel really sorry for my Dgc.

If it’s like this and more until the GE we can try something different, we just need to vote for it.

Julen7 · 30/07/2025 20:21

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 19:38

Well, if we don't rescue them or we prevent them from landing, so they then run out of fuel and the boat sinks and we do nothing, then yes of course we are ultimately responsible.

What else is it?

How about grown adults taking responsibility for themselves?

taxguru · 30/07/2025 20:14

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 19:38

Well, if we don't rescue them or we prevent them from landing, so they then run out of fuel and the boat sinks and we do nothing, then yes of course we are ultimately responsible.

What else is it?

Surely the French coastguard/lifeboats are responsible if they're not over half way across the channel? Why aren't they criticised if they don't and it's left to the UK's RNLI to rescue them?

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2025 20:13

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 20:00

Have you next weeks Euro millions winning numbers?

Like i said, 4 years is many lifetimes in politics.

Farage is, right now, being investigated over MPs expenses, who knows whether he, Starmer or Badenoch will be party leaders in 2029?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14955981/Thousands-Waterlooville-protest-Home-Office-asylum-seekers.html#

It's a red hot topic and it will remain one because Labour have zero intention of taking the necessary steps to stop the boats and deport the chancers.

1,000s swarm streets after 'secret plot to move migrants into town'

An Epping-style protest to stop migrants being housed above a town's high street shops is underway - as thousands of locals warn of 'mayhem' if the plans go ahead.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14955981/Thousands-Waterlooville-protest-Home-Office-asylum-seekers.html#

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 20:13

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 19:56

Did they? have you a link to this action by the Dutch police?

I’m sure I read a while ago that Dutch police stopped the boats but can only find a link to Belgian police
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/05/copy-belgium-intercept-channel-migrant-boats-sea-france/

www.thesun.co.uk/news/23558134/belgians-stopped-illegal-migrants-small-boat-crossings/

suburburban · 30/07/2025 20:11

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 19:52

You’d only have to do it for a week or so and they’d stop coming. They don’t cross from the Netherlands because Dutch police stopped them, destroyed the boats. They came across from France because they and we let them.

Yes why can’t we try something different.

the current policies aren’t working

i feel really sorry for my Dgc.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 20:00

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2025 19:55

Tory voters stayed at home because Sunak was so crap.

Starmer's response - 'Hold my beer'.

Migrant hotels are the wild card that will motivate disgruntled Tories, 'Traditional Labour' and non-voters to turn out for Reform.

People see current immigration trends as an existential threat to their safety, children's futures, way of life and birthright.

Doubling down on the current tactics of calling everybody Far Right will annihilate Labour.

Have you next weeks Euro millions winning numbers?

Like i said, 4 years is many lifetimes in politics.

Farage is, right now, being investigated over MPs expenses, who knows whether he, Starmer or Badenoch will be party leaders in 2029?

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 19:56

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 19:52

You’d only have to do it for a week or so and they’d stop coming. They don’t cross from the Netherlands because Dutch police stopped them, destroyed the boats. They came across from France because they and we let them.

Did they? have you a link to this action by the Dutch police?

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2025 19:55

Tory voters stayed at home because Sunak was so crap.

Starmer's response - 'Hold my beer'.

Migrant hotels are the wild card that will motivate disgruntled Tories, 'Traditional Labour' and non-voters to turn out for Reform.

People see current immigration trends as an existential threat to their safety, children's futures, way of life and birthright.

Doubling down on the current tactics of calling everybody Far Right will annihilate Labour.

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 19:52

You’d only have to do it for a week or so and they’d stop coming. They don’t cross from the Netherlands because Dutch police stopped them, destroyed the boats. They came across from France because they and we let them.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 19:45

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

That is ridiculous.
They might fall over on the beach if we let them land! Horror!

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 19:42

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2025 19:38

Only 20% of the electorate voted for Labour. If half now regret their vote, that leaves Labour on 10% of the overall electorate.

If Farage can motivate non-voters to vote, just like he did with Brexit, Labour don't stand a chance.

Thats like me saying 32% of the electorate voted for Brexit... you'd soon shoot me down on that!!

34% of people who voted, voted for Labour, way above any other party.

Of those 34% almost 80% prefer Labour over Reform

So atm Reform wont win a majority, the Tories are dead, predicted to win, atm less than 60 MPs, so that leaves Lab and the LD's.....

We had a poor turn out in 2024, likely to be even lower in 2029, so Farage has his work cut out and its on area in a GE, not nationally like a Referendum.

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2025 19:38

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 15:57

Sky have done polling on Labours popularity, 50% of Labour voters regret their vote... BUT when it comes to Badenoch, just 7% of all Labour voters would prefer her as PM, against 77% who prefer Starmer.

Its very similar with Farage, 75% still prefer Starmer as PM, 11% Farage.

Thats shocking for the opposition parties, what are they doing??

We've a Reform councillor, he got in on 30% of the vote.

So no, i don't think any sensible person should write off Labour not winning in 2029.

Personally, i think the choices will be poor, so expect a low turn out, with whoever wins, having little mandate.

Only 20% of the electorate voted for Labour. If half now regret their vote, that leaves Labour on 10% of the overall electorate.

If Farage can motivate non-voters to vote, just like he did with Brexit, Labour don't stand a chance.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 19:38

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 18:59

The parents / adults with children getting into boats when they are in France… France! ..and we’re responsible if they drown -is that a joke?

Well, if we don't rescue them or we prevent them from landing, so they then run out of fuel and the boat sinks and we do nothing, then yes of course we are ultimately responsible.

What else is it?

justasking111 · 30/07/2025 19:12

suburburban · 30/07/2025 19:02

Why can’t we make it illegal for uninvited boats to be in our waters in the first place

Shipping, yachting, wind, bad weather, engine problems, illness. There's reasons why anyone might be obliged to go off course and seek assistance which is willingly given.

justasking111 · 30/07/2025 19:07

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

We can and do enter french waters all the time. We're not at war you know. maritime law trumps politics.

suburburban · 30/07/2025 19:02

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

Why can’t we make it illegal for uninvited boats to be in our waters in the first place

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 18:59

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:37

The misunderstanding and sheer cruelty on this thread is astounding! Letting people drown (including children)?!

The parents / adults with children getting into boats when they are in France… France! ..and we’re responsible if they drown -is that a joke?

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:41

You've made that accusation up. That hasn't been suggested.

A very few posters have suggested turning boats back - but not harming the passengers. As many posters have said that wouldn't work.

Why not engage, instead of gaslighting and using lies to try to shame people? Those tactics don't work any more.

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:41

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:37

The misunderstanding and sheer cruelty on this thread is astounding! Letting people drown (including children)?!

You've made that accusation up. That hasn't been suggested.

A very few posters have suggested turning boats back - but not harming the passengers. As many posters have said that wouldn't work.

Why not engage, instead of gaslighting and using lies to try to shame people? Those tactics don't work any more.

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:37

The misunderstanding and sheer cruelty on this thread is astounding! Letting people drown (including children)?!

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:33

Cattenberg · 30/07/2025 14:20

I'm starting to think that all the immigrants who work for essential services such as the NHS, care, agriculture, manufacturing etc should all go on strike for a week. Chaos would ensue, but Reform supporters might finally appreciate the contribution that immigrants make to this country.

About 19% of NHS workers are not British. Think of what would happen if they were all to leave the UK. Here's a clue - waiting times for appointments would not decrease.

I'm pretty sure that you're arguing in bad faith here. It's not exactly subtle nuance to distinguish between well-integrated, contributing immigrants versus asylum seekers and low-skilled immigrants who will be net takers all their life.

The UK is still very welcoming to the former group. No one has suggested zero migration. Most of us have colleagues and friends who are immigrants - often family too - and are very happy they are here.

Why are you pretending you can't tell the difference? Don't you see that it's you who is being racist with that?

So to make your suggestion a bit more realistic, let's divide all immigrants into those 2 groups - the ones we want and the ones we don't - and only have the second group go on strike. But at the sane time, they can't use state services either No using the NHS. Their kids not in schools (but we can keep the same total school funding for the lower number of students, since the overall tax-take isn’t noticeably lower) so teachers don't need to deal with high numbers of kids with EAL. £4billion annually which was spent on the illegal immigrants available for other things, plus whatever we're spending on their Welfare. Twice as much social housing available in London. Sure, fewer carers. I have several family members who found care work satisfying but too poorly paid - without low-cost immigrants to tap into, perhaps that would change. Fewer men loitering on corners, barber shops and vape shops.

Really not sounding so bad.

You know that we set the immigrantion criteria, right? We can be much,much pickier about who we accept - setting the bar for highly skilled migrants to genuinely be highly skilled, not care workers and artists; and restricting student visa applications to serious subjects and post-grads at respected universities, not dodgy little language schools which don't actually expect their students to turn up to class; and having language tests and cultural integration mandatory for citizenship, as other countries do.

We just need the political will.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 18:33

Here’s a recent voting intention poll, I’m not sure Labour will be too excited by it. If they are then ok.

This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?
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