This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

So many people here who are racist for sure!

It isn't a county's sovereign right to refuse their deported citizens, unless the citizen is a dual national (as Shemima Bugum is).

A country isn't allowed to make a citizen stateless, which a dual national wouldn't be.

So many people like this.

Where's the evidence of all that? Any reports other than from Daily Mail? Hoards of brown people are taking snatching away your kids? give me a f**kin break!

London is like this - stuff is reported in London but not elsewhere - Sadiq wouldn't want tourist numbers affected

Far right fascists very nearly came into power in the 1930s - really swings and roundabouts isn't it...could be the 2030s are equally as dark as the 1930s but let's all hope that's not the case and if it is...we all must step out of our little houses and comfortable lives and fight back against it, just as they did in the 1930s!

Thats down to austerity & lack of laws/punishment.

Austerity slashed Police numbers, trading standards, no updating of laws and regulations, shops closed down, re open the next day, enforcement, lack of Police..... when it comes to law or regulation enforcement, the UK is dire, a Sky news reporter had an issue with music venue noise, she moved, the council would do nothing.

& is not restricted to immigrant areas, it happens in so naice places as you put it too.

Just had our local parish mtce team robbed of machinery and a vehicle, crime report number, that was it, white area, few if any migrants.

Drugs readily available, drink driving a real issue, never see the spot checks we used to get when i was a kid.

Nail on the head. People in "naice" places are enjoying the benefits of quality ethnic restaurants, professional workplace colleagues, etc. People in run down towns get the money laundering kebab shops, the modern slavery car washes and nail bars, brothels, lawlessness on the streets, etc. Two very different "experiences" of immigration!

Lets be real here, regardless of whether they throw their papers away of not, we find it extremely difficult to deport economic migrants.

Where would YOU send them? when in the vast majority of cases, their home countries refuse to take them back, as is their sovereign right, as we have done to former British citizens, or their home country is at war and we have no flights there....

The EU/France wont accept them....

and those that disappear in to the black economy are stuck here, even with a passport, they wouldn't get through immigration to leave as no entry stamp.

Friends and family born and bred west Yorkshire folks have family in the NHS, police, and factories.

It's really bad in pockets of this beautiful area. Policing is different where the immigrant population is high. There are no go areas for middle aged and elderly established immigrants who also have a hard time from gangs.

Girls are going missing in the area desperate families and friends putting up pictures and stories on FB. You'll never see it in the media though.

I'm sure there's other parts of the UK like this . But I can only speak of this one.

@Cattenberg Just to clarify, I am not a fan of Reform either. But I do think that politicians and commentators who ignore the legitimate concerns of usually poorer white communities - or vilify them as racist - are playing straight into the hands of Reform.

Spot on 👏

Devon is a predominantly White area. According to the 2021 census, 95.8% of the population in Devon county identify as White, according to Plumplot. This is significantly higher than the England and Wales average of 81.7%. Within Devon, the percentage of White individuals varies slightly by district, with some areas like North Devon reaching 97.9% White.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Devon County: 95.8% White, according to Plumplot.
North Devon District: 97.0% White, according to North Devon Council.
East Devon District: 97.4% White, according to East Devon District Council.
Mid Devon District: 97.8% White, according to the Office for National Statistics.
South West England (general): 95.3% White, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Visit Bradford or Burnley or Rochdale and see if your opinion changes.

Experiences of immigration around the country are very different. It is not a problem when you have a school where children speak a VARIETY of languages other than English at home. In this case English becomes the lingua franca.

Where ALL or MOST of the children come from the same immigrant background and ALL come to school speaking only that language - they only start learning English at 5+ and then only a limited amount of English because they still speak their home language in the playground and in outside school settings. Staff in the schools are often also predominantly from the “home culture”

Children from these backgrounds who are often also struggling with social deprivation rarely if ever catch up.

Friend in Wales works in housing. They're being hounded for empty houses to be released to them on long leases. The owners won't budge. Because of our rental laws coming soon to England many small landlords sold up. So rental stock has dived.

The long standing housing waiting list is no more. No-one is moving up.

The labour government in Wales will need to do more than double/treble the rates on empty properties here. They will have to forcibly repossess empty homes, compulsory purchase farmland at agricultural prices and build on it.
BUT there's an election next spring so they'll wait until they get another five years in power.

I live in Devon. I'm far more scared of Reform than "boat people". I live near a hospital and many of the ethnic minority residents in our neighbourhood are NHS employees. A significant minority of the children at DD's primary school speak languages other than English at home, but this isn't really a problem. Young children tend to become fluent in English very quickly.

I agree that any immigrants who commit sex offences should be deported. It would be great if we could expel all our home-grown sex offenders too, but of course that is just wishful thinking.

I would be interested to know where you live.

I think the experience of many poorer people living in the Northern mill towns is very different.

Many immigrants have settled and contribute. But an awful lot live in their own parallel communities - they run shops and businesses serving the immigrant populations and do not mix much with locals. Many of the women speak no English and the local primary schools, which draw from tight geographical areas are 85% plus students from the same ethnic background - so not diverse at all. At secondary school level, the ethnic population in some schools is sometimes so large that white English families decide not to send their girls there - not because they are racist but because they know their daughters will never have friends outside school. Immigrant families discourage their daughters from mixing with white girls and these girls will never be allowed to visit/or be visitors to the others homes.

Councils in the SE are shipping newly arrived immigrants up north at a rate of knots because you can house people in a terraced house in Burnley at a fraction of the cost of accommodation in London. This is exacerbating pressure on already stretched educational and health care settings adding to tensions.

There is also a perception that policing of ethnic groups is done differently because the police do not want ‘to antagonize the community’ - a euphemism for being afraid of triggering a riot. And the appalling handling of the large scale sexual abuse of white English girls by some members of the immigrant population continues to generate resentment.

We have many many people on benefits who we want to get back to work - fewer jobs available if we let the thousands coming in work.

By the way, why do people on this thread assume that asylum seekers have no skills, aren't motivated and will never make a positive contribution to society?

Because that's what the Office of budget responsibility have told us. They cost 1.5 million per head

they often take on the roles that most Brits don't want to do

This is a common justification isn't it? Importing poverty at great scale is needed to facilitate mass worklessness.

Asylum seekers could stop in France - the people coming here are hardly asylum seekers, theyr'e people who claim asylum and chuck away their papers. And we believe them and let them stay

I’m sure some of the immigrants already here working hard and paying tax could be probably fed up with the current situation as well

Likewise it doesn't make sense to suggest that all immigrants would go on strike. What would they be striking for?

They wouldn't of course, but if they did (for example, to protest against the rise of Reform), it would show Reform supporters the value of the work they do. The idea that the country in general and the NHS in particular would be better off without immigrants is false.

It's really very simple. You need to actually read the posts. People haven't virtue signalled 'of course this profession' is OK' because it's completely obvious from the concerns we're talking about and the solutions we're suggesting.

Once again, a PP on this very thread described the fact that nearly 20% of NHS workers aren't British as "an appalling situation" and "proof of absolute failure".

By the way, why do people on this thread assume that asylum seekers have no skills, aren't motivated and will never make a positive contribution to society? Why are they all demonised as scroungers and sex offenders? In my experience, the vast majority of them want to work and when they are finally allowed to, they often take on the roles that most Brits don't want to do.

It's the pp's scenario, mot mine. She thinks all immigrants should go on strike to teach us to be better people. But hasn't clarified what strike demands would be common ground for all immigrants to strike over.

Then why did numbers rocket the moment we left the EU officially? why did the talk of Rwanda slow crossings and migrants here tried to get into ROI?

Why has former Tory home office minister, Chris Philp stated the loss of DA made migration worse, backed by Tory shadow chancellor Mel Stride?

Debunked? no it hasn't been at all.

Its irrelevant how many we sent back, the threat was there, on mainland europe, DA isn't a deterrent because of Schengen, deport someone, go back in or go to another EU country, we were never in Schengen.

Plus Brexit has led to a 4x increase in regular migration, 240 pre Brexit p.a to 1m pa, driven by dependents coming here and a Con Govt seeing it as a way to increase "GDP growth...." as they tried to make up for Brexit.

Up thread a pp mentioned "adults taking responsibility" its about time those responsible for & supported Brexit did the same.

How can asylum seekers go on strike? They can't work anyway and we would happily pay for them to go back because the majority will be a huge burden on the state for life.