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Pensions Stolen, Hotels Paid: How the State Betrays British Women

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JessieZoo · 24/07/2025 09:37

So let’s get this straight.
Labour says it would be “unfair” — yes, unfair — to pay British women the pensions they’re rightfully owed. A flat-rate compensation scheme, they argue, would cost up to £10.5 billion. That, apparently, is just too much for the taxpayer to handle. Too heavy a burden. Too expensive. Too inconvenient.
But wait — in the very same breath, they have no issue at all signing off on billions of pounds to house illegal migrants in hotels. Not just hostels or temporary shelters — but full-service hotels, many costing hundreds of pounds per night. Paid for by you. The British taxpayer.

Women who worked all their lives, paid into the system, raised children, supported families — many of them now pensionless, struggling to heat their homes or feed themselves — are told: “Sorry, there’s no money left.” Yet people who entered this country illegally, without contributing a single penny to the public purse, are handed food, shelter, healthcare, and legal aid on a silver platter.
Where is the outrage? Where is the logic? Where is the basic common sense?
Let’s call it what it is: an insult. A slap in the face to every British woman who’s been denied justice. A betrayal of the very people who built this country.

The state is happy to tell working-class women — many of whom were misled, underinformed, or outright ignored when their pension age was quietly raised — that they must simply “get on with it.” But when it comes to those who cross our borders illegally? The red carpet rolls out. No delays. No debates. No “affordability” test.

The message is loud and clear: law-abiding British citizens come last.
Let that sink in.

Because this is no longer just about money. It’s about priorities. It’s about morality. It’s about who this country serves — and who it’s abandoned.
If the government — and Labour in particular — truly cared about fairness, justice, or “proportionality,” then British women would not be fighting tooth and nail for scraps while illegal migrants are put up in comfort using the very taxes those same women paid throughout their lives.

This isn’t a funding issue. It’s a political choice.
It’s not that the country is broke — it’s that those in charge have broken their promise to the people who deserve it most.
And it’s time we said enough is enough.

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strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 08:35

The 'Britain has a responsibility to anyone who wants to live here because of our crimes' narrative manages both the gratification of moral high ground and the sense of superiority.

There are 70 million of us. Only 40 million of whom pay any tax at all.

We definitely can't feed and house the world. Even if we felt we should. Which I don't.

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 08:30

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:14

What is it with Mumsnet and the word narcissistic? It truly has lost all meaning. I’m just not a rabid patriot I’m afraid. I just focus on people, not their nationality or ethnicity. I seem to remember that being part of the teachings of a religion that Britain was very keen to spread to the rest of the world…

But this viewpoint is narcissistic - in the meaning of "excessive preoccupation with oneself"

You're assigning more importance to things Western countries do than to the same things done by other countries. You set the bar for Western countries behaviour at a totally different level than you do for other countries.

Can't you see how self-centred and racist that is? Regardless of whether you do it to aggrandise your country (to enjoy a sense of superiority - not acceptable these days) or whether you do it to put your country down (to enjoy the gratification of self-righteous moralising - very typical Western left-wing behaviour these days)

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 07:51

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:10

I wonder if you would have these viewpoints if the British government had treated you and your family the way they have treated other countries and civilisations for years? I wonder if you would think genocide, war, theft of natural resources, enforced takeover of lands etc etc are not “particularly bad”? How many civilians died in Iraq again? But sure, not “particularly bad”. You can’t even stomach extending welfare to refugees and yet you think you’d be okay with a foreign power rocking up and bombing your country to smithereens? Give me a break.

And I didn’t say the UK had a responsibility to feed the entire world, just people in countries where it has done those not “particularly bad” things. Which, to be fair, is pretty close to being the entire world. You reap what you sow I’m afraid.

Of course I wouldn't be OK with "a foreign power rocking up and bombing your country to smithereens?" Confused

That's why we have an army. And nukes.

Most of the oppression in the Middle East currently and in recent times has been by local populations against other local populations. You do realise that, right? I suspect the women of Afghanistan wish we had continued with our terrible harm as occupiers.

Going a bit further back, the Persian empire(now Iran) was fairly brutal, especially to Christians, and the Ottoman empire (which was most of the rest of the Middle east) committed some pretty horrific atrocities against Europeans including enslaving 1 million Europeans in the Barbary slave trade and the occasional genocide - right up to the 1900s.

And going a bit further back, I'm not demanding anything from Mongolia for Genghis Khan's invasions, or from the Norwegian Wealth fund for their 200 year occupation, which was also accompanied by a fair bit of destruction and pillaging.

More recently - looking at other countries behaviour - Japan didn't open its borders to China after WW2 despite the atrocities they had committed.

The amount we spend to prevent terrorist attacks is more than enough retribution for the amount of harm we do!

But seriously, that's not how interactions between countries work.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:35

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:32

Your point was that nobody alive is affected by colonisation by the British and I gave a perfect example of a country next door that still is heavily affected. And your response is so disrespectful. On that note I have to start my day.

It's not disrespectful if it's in reply to an anonymous person on mumsnet saying that the UK deserves what it gets.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:33

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:29

Read your history, I’m not going to do the work for you.

Why would I want to research your spurious argument. When did the British last make a real attempt to spread Christianity? Other than a few missionaries. I would suggest The Crusades. After that we went very quiet on religion (internationally anyway).

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:32

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:25

I just don't see hordes of Irish in small boats coming across the Irish sea. I'm sorry. I don't. Although I live on the other side of the country so I may.be wrong. I thought the Irish think Ireland's great anyway? Seems to be doing brilliantly. Well done the British for setting it up so well (😉😉😉joke, any Irish people!!).

Your point was that nobody alive is affected by colonisation by the British and I gave a perfect example of a country next door that still is heavily affected. And your response is so disrespectful. On that note I have to start my day.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:29

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:25

I love that that’s your only response. It really does say it all. I would actually disagree with you there but even if I did agree, I refer to the UK’s involvement in genocides, wars, invasions and theft of natural resources in an earlier post, so I did mention actions outside of colonialism.

Yes but you used the word "colonialism" in the context of today's immigration issues and Iraq. That muddies the waters. There are very valid arguments about the effects of colonialism (I don't agree with them obviously) but it's used as a catch all insult to the British to explain everything.

Iraq wasn't colonialism. It was a stupid war caused by reasons dreamt up by the Labour government at the time. Or stupid reasons dreamt up by the US.and the Labour government tagged along.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:29

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:16

That was the Spanish maybe?? Or the Africans many countries of which are far more Christian than the UK. Unless we are now in the period of the Crusades? In which case you really are scraping the bottom of the argument barrel.

Read your history, I’m not going to do the work for you.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:25

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:22

Have you ever been to Ireland?

I just don't see hordes of Irish in small boats coming across the Irish sea. I'm sorry. I don't. Although I live on the other side of the country so I may.be wrong. I thought the Irish think Ireland's great anyway? Seems to be doing brilliantly. Well done the British for setting it up so well (😉😉😉joke, any Irish people!!).

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:25

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:20

Iraq wasn't colonialism.

I love that that’s your only response. It really does say it all. I would actually disagree with you there but even if I did agree, I refer to the UK’s involvement in genocides, wars, invasions and theft of natural resources in an earlier post, so I did mention actions outside of colonialism.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:22

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:19

Unless you are in your 90s or older you will not have experienced colonialisation by the British. Sorry. And no one here is a colonialist. But it's a good retro argument. Very 2019. But we've heard it too many times now. Same as the nazi slur. Or far right etc etc. Its lost all power.

Have you ever been to Ireland?

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:20

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:20

Which argument are you referring to? My mention of Iraq? An invasion that happened in our lifetimes and was responsible for the deaths of approximately 2 million civilians? Do you mean mention of that has been overused by “the left”? If so, do you feel the same way about WWI and WWII? Shall we just forget about those events as well?

Iraq wasn't colonialism.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:20

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:14

I think that argument resonated even a few years ago. But then (as usual) it's been overused by the left so it is now meaningless and now people think hang on actually I'm not really into self-flagellation and I don't agree with the way my country's history is being portrayed. So they don't listen anymore. Disagree.

Which argument are you referring to? My mention of Iraq? An invasion that happened in our lifetimes and was responsible for the deaths of approximately 2 million civilians? Do you mean mention of that has been overused by “the left”? If so, do you feel the same way about WWI and WWII? Shall we just forget about those events as well?

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:19

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:16

Of course it’s a tired and lazy trope to you if you haven’t had to experience it for yourself.

Unless you are in your 90s or older you will not have experienced colonialisation by the British. Sorry. And no one here is a colonialist. But it's a good retro argument. Very 2019. But we've heard it too many times now. Same as the nazi slur. Or far right etc etc. Its lost all power.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:16

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:07

Don't be ridiculous. The UK has the right to (try and) do whatever it wants. And can complain about whatever it wants.

The yawn is for "but colonialism". It's a tired lazy old trope wheeled out to justify unfettered immigration. I'm not sure why it's used. The people it's presumably aimed at aren't colonialists. So it doesn't really resonate.

Of course it’s a tired and lazy trope to you if you haven’t had to experience it for yourself.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:16

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:14

What is it with Mumsnet and the word narcissistic? It truly has lost all meaning. I’m just not a rabid patriot I’m afraid. I just focus on people, not their nationality or ethnicity. I seem to remember that being part of the teachings of a religion that Britain was very keen to spread to the rest of the world…

That was the Spanish maybe?? Or the Africans many countries of which are far more Christian than the UK. Unless we are now in the period of the Crusades? In which case you really are scraping the bottom of the argument barrel.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:14

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:10

I wonder if you would have these viewpoints if the British government had treated you and your family the way they have treated other countries and civilisations for years? I wonder if you would think genocide, war, theft of natural resources, enforced takeover of lands etc etc are not “particularly bad”? How many civilians died in Iraq again? But sure, not “particularly bad”. You can’t even stomach extending welfare to refugees and yet you think you’d be okay with a foreign power rocking up and bombing your country to smithereens? Give me a break.

And I didn’t say the UK had a responsibility to feed the entire world, just people in countries where it has done those not “particularly bad” things. Which, to be fair, is pretty close to being the entire world. You reap what you sow I’m afraid.

I think that argument resonated even a few years ago. But then (as usual) it's been overused by the left so it is now meaningless and now people think hang on actually I'm not really into self-flagellation and I don't agree with the way my country's history is being portrayed. So they don't listen anymore. Disagree.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:14

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 07:07

I think it's you who needs to read a bit more history, to put your narcissistic self-loathing into context!

Complaining is a UK social obligation. We also have the right to limit migration, however we choose. The right that comes from being an independent country with an army.

What is it with Mumsnet and the word narcissistic? It truly has lost all meaning. I’m just not a rabid patriot I’m afraid. I just focus on people, not their nationality or ethnicity. I seem to remember that being part of the teachings of a religion that Britain was very keen to spread to the rest of the world…

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 07:10

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 06:51

Oh don't be so ridiculous with your condescending, post-colonial hate. We're not particularly bad - either in our past or our present actions. Isn't it funny how it's only 'The West' who have to nake up for whatever bad behaviour you're so incensed at, not any other civilisations who have done worse- either to us or to others. Noble savages don't have to make up for bad behaviour!! Do you even realise your own racism and self-centred viewpoint?

And no, we don't have a responsibility to feed and house the entire world.

Or rather, the fabled 'rich' in the UK don't have a responsibility to feed and house the entire world. Those proposing we open our borders are never those who actually pay for anything - even what they benefit from themselves.

I wonder if you would have these viewpoints if the British government had treated you and your family the way they have treated other countries and civilisations for years? I wonder if you would think genocide, war, theft of natural resources, enforced takeover of lands etc etc are not “particularly bad”? How many civilians died in Iraq again? But sure, not “particularly bad”. You can’t even stomach extending welfare to refugees and yet you think you’d be okay with a foreign power rocking up and bombing your country to smithereens? Give me a break.

And I didn’t say the UK had a responsibility to feed the entire world, just people in countries where it has done those not “particularly bad” things. Which, to be fair, is pretty close to being the entire world. You reap what you sow I’m afraid.

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 07:07

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 06:41

Why the (yawn)? Tired of hearing the truth? Read your own history and you might gain some inkling as to why the UK has absolutely no right to complain about migration.

I think it's you who needs to read a bit more history, to put your narcissistic self-loathing into context!

Complaining is a UK social obligation. We also have the right to limit migration, however we choose. The right that comes from being an independent country with an army.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 07:07

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 06:41

Why the (yawn)? Tired of hearing the truth? Read your own history and you might gain some inkling as to why the UK has absolutely no right to complain about migration.

Don't be ridiculous. The UK has the right to (try and) do whatever it wants. And can complain about whatever it wants.

The yawn is for "but colonialism". It's a tired lazy old trope wheeled out to justify unfettered immigration. I'm not sure why it's used. The people it's presumably aimed at aren't colonialists. So it doesn't really resonate.

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 06:51

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 06:38

Oh thank you for your permission, that’s what I’ve been waiting for my entire life. Seeing as the “practice” you refer to has involved colonisation, war and ongoing involvement in conflict then I’m afraid the UK doesn’t have a leg to stand on. If I burn your house down I shouldn’t be surprised when you turn up on my doorstep wanting or demanding help.

Oh don't be so ridiculous with your condescending, post-colonial hate. We're not particularly bad - either in our past or our present actions. Isn't it funny how it's only 'The West' who have to nake up for whatever bad behaviour you're so incensed at, not any other civilisations who have done worse- either to us or to others. Noble savages don't have to make up for bad behaviour!! Do you even realise your own racism and self-centred viewpoint?

And no, we don't have a responsibility to feed and house the entire world.

Or rather, the fabled 'rich' in the UK don't have a responsibility to feed and house the entire world. Those proposing we open our borders are never those who actually pay for anything - even what they benefit from themselves.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 06:41

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 05:32

I'm not sure we are that good at colonisation (yawn) actually. The opposite is true. We now pay other countries to take our territory against the wishes of the people living there.

Why the (yawn)? Tired of hearing the truth? Read your own history and you might gain some inkling as to why the UK has absolutely no right to complain about migration.

Xyloplane · 25/07/2025 06:38

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 03:13

If you have such disdain and dislike for the UK, our history, and our practice then do feel free to emigrate to a country which better matches your own values - providing you fulfil their criteria for legal immigration.

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Oh thank you for your permission, that’s what I’ve been waiting for my entire life. Seeing as the “practice” you refer to has involved colonisation, war and ongoing involvement in conflict then I’m afraid the UK doesn’t have a leg to stand on. If I burn your house down I shouldn’t be surprised when you turn up on my doorstep wanting or demanding help.

Quirkswork · 25/07/2025 05:32

Xyloplane · 24/07/2025 23:38

I really wouldn’t worry, nobody does colonisation as well as the British. But I guess it only becomes “illegal” when it’s happening on your shores?

I'm not sure we are that good at colonisation (yawn) actually. The opposite is true. We now pay other countries to take our territory against the wishes of the people living there.