Lifetime Social Housing Tenancies

It always baffles me how much people know about their neighbours' and acquaintances' financial situation. I don't even know what my family earns, much less how much they do or don't get in benefits.

My mum has a Syrian neighbour. She knows for a fact the government bought him a Range Rover because he works in he same warehouse as my neighbour and my neighbour can't afford a Range Rover, he has to work in her local pizza shop 2 nights a week to top up his wage
She's not wrong about where they both work. I was talking to my mum's neighbour a few weeks ago, and we got onto the topic of work because I'd just started a new job. He does indeed work in the local Amazon warehouse as a senior infrastructure engineer. He has a degree in computer science and is a CCNP-certified network engineer.

I don't think the reason one of them can afford a Range Rover and the other cannot is because one gets more money in benefits due to being Syrian.

people which includes those high earner scumbags living in social housing when they shouldn’t be, as mentioned in that Telegraph article.

Parole have been abusing the system since forever, because they can. Pretending they don’t helps no-one.

@RowsOfFlowers

That makes me so cross! People are abusing the system.

No-one is 'abusing the system.' 🙄 For goodness sake! Why do you (and several others) seem so angry about some people - many who are not on a high income and never will be - having decent, affordable social housing, and a good decent quality of life because of it?

Maybe you should read through that list of ADVANTAGES of social housing, and the fact that all the benefits to it offset any costs. (And most of it has been paid for many years ago anyway!) I know it doesn't suit you to read it, (and believe any of it!) as it doesn't suit your agenda, but maybe just give it a go eh?

Maybe, just MAYBE it might sink in that social housing tenants are not your enemy. They are just decent people, many on low income, who just want a warm safe home they can rely on and never have to worry about being throw out of. I can't get my head around anyone who resents people for this. Blowing out someone else's candle won't make yours burn any brighter.

I am definitely out now, and am hiding the thread. Some posts on here are making my blood boil!

You genuinely think you should be allowed to ask for a social housing property when you own a house? You would be really be surprised or annoyed if they refused you? Words fail me!

Absolutely baffled. This thread gets more batshit every time I look at it.

And yes, social housing tenants pay much less than private rent. That's a given and has always been. They still pay quite a decent amount though. Some people just THINK social housing rents are low because of exhoribitant private let prices make them APPEAR low.

I know someone who pays £650 a month for a small 3 bed semi. That was the PRIVATE rent figure up to about 3-4 years ago. Go figure.

And anyone who says 'meh, that's not even a lot!' Check Your Privilege!

It’s not that social housing tenants are being subsidised, as such, but they are not paying MARKET rents. In London I saw a calculation about how much of a winner a social-housing tenant was over a private renter and the gap was huge.

Also people often trumpet about homeowners who have made vast sums. Well, a) until you’re dead that house isn’t worth nowt because you’re living in it and b) increasingly homes have been bought at huge expense with giant mortgages by ordinary people. Where I grew up a 3-bed 60s box now costs £500k.

Also all those good things about social housing just posted upthread - well, doesn’t more beget more? If you build 10 million social houses 20 million will join the list.

I don’t agree they should be means tested after acquisition. But i think allocation needs an overhaul as atm it is clearly not fit for purpose. A friend’s just-moved-in neighbour owns a house in Eastern Europe. If I applied for a council house they would rightly tell me to sling my hook as I already own one here. Who is doing any due diligence?!

Look at the savings. More than £8 billion in housing benefit and temporary accommodation costs.

Long-Term Economic Benefits of social housing:

Our research shows that building 90,000 social homes and providing people with a stable, affordable place to live would generate £31.4bn in societal benefits through:

Higher employment – £8.9bn

A stable home helps people to get and keep work, and reduces the long-term scarring effect that being homeless or in insecure housing can have on employment prospects, generating £8.9bn for the economy and a further £3.8bn in tax revenue.

Lower benefit costs – £3.3bn

Due to higher employment, yearly benefit claims would be cut by £1,218 per household, generating £3.3bn in savings over the long term.

Improved healthcare – £5.2bn

On average social homes have fewer health hazards and stable homes are linked to better wellbeing, generating £5.2bn through NHS savings.

Reducing homelessness – £4.5bn

More social homes would mean fewer people living in temporary accommodation and requiring homelessness assistance, saving local authorities £4.5bn.

Reduced crime – £3.1bn

People in inadequate housing are more likely to experience crime. Social homes lead to fewer police callouts and reduced cost of crime, generating savings of £3.1bn.

Better life chances for children – £2.7bn

Unstable homes can harm children by disrupting their education, which leads to lower economic contributions, increased crime, and greater use of public services. Reducing these disruptions would generate £2.7bn in savings.

Building social housing generates long-term economic benefits, including reduced housing benefit costs, increased employment, and improved health outcomes, and a better quality of living. These benefits can offset the initial investment, making it a worthwhile use of public funds on the occasions housing associations receive public funds.

Mic drop.

Thank you and goodnight.

https://www.housing.org.uk/resources/the-economic-impact-of-building-social-housing/

Yes - two billion pounds just for the 26/27 financial year.

https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/whats-2-billion-the-governments-latest-affordable-housing-announcement-in-context/

It isn’t coming out of government money and rents are lower because there’s no profit.

What are you talking about?

https://www.housing.org.uk/our-work/building-new-homes/

What are HAs cross subsidising? The reason more isn’t being built is because it’s not subsidised, councils aren’t even allowed to spend the proceeds of right to buy on building more.

Then just stop? You certainly haven't convinced me.

It’s getting very tiresome trying to convince people who refuse to listen that social housing isn’t subsidised.