Afraid for US

Plenty of ways to apply for visas and residence in whatever country. Illegally entering a country is a criminal offence.

I've seen lot of vox box clips where USA citixen are asked how much undocumented pay in tax and the say well clearly none.

Then get told they pay $97 billion but can claim for nothing - it's a huge surprise to them.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/undocumented-immigrants-can-do-pay-taxes-2025-02-26/

I've also seen some report when a state did aggressive deportations decade or so ago and they still haven't economically recovered.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-labor-market-impact-of-deportations/

They got $2.36 trillion from Tourism and it was set to be a huge growth industry
https://www.statista.com/chart/32465/travel-and-tourism-contribution-to-gdp-in-the-us/

which they've fucked up - as well as bussiness travel and foregien students. You see their press coverage of why Canadians have stopped crossing broarde and it's all tariffs and shrugs they'll be back - when Canadians are clear it's sovereignty being threatened - their media is just really bad at educating their population.

Problem is with everyday citzen standing up is so many are really struggling not to end up homeless - there wealth inequality is so steep - and many are protesting - which aren't always picked up in media - or starting legal actions in courts to push back.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-homeless-people-are-in-the-us-what-does-the-data-miss/

They have a lot of problems - from infrastructure decline to wealth inequlity to a president and cabinet who just don't think rules apply to them.

They have already many precusors seen before civial wars break out - wealth inequality, political divides very much including media and seem to be heading for an economic downturn. They may yet avoid one - or they may go in another worrying direction - but I don't know anyone not thinking they are in trouble at the minute.

They do apply. But it can take years and years and years.🐌🐌🐌 And loads of appointments with immigration.

People have had enough of globalists and NGOs overwhelming our nations with third world immigrants who aren't integrating.

Why don't/haven't documented illegal immigrants apply for citizenship?

re: Stonewall, that's a fair point. As I said it was the only comparison I could think of off the top of my head.

No, deportation not new. The US deports millions every year. Mostly the undocumented, criminal or recently arrived.

What is new is the indiscriminate deportation of documented "illegals" who are law abiding, tax paying residents and parents of American children. Instantly and without due process. What's also new is the militarisation of ICE and the president mobilising the army on American soil.

@JasmineAllen Stonewall is not and has never been an arm of government operating within the rule of law enforcing government policies. It's a pressure group whose campaigning became obsolete with the introduction of Gay Marriage and then went mental.

Also because until now the IRS wasn't providing their data to DHS.

It's asking me to login or subscribe.

Though there is a certain level of tolerance/turning a blind eye, deporting illegal immigrants is not
new. The Obama administration deported over 3 million of them and ended the wet feet, dry feet policy, deporting even more than George W Bush who deported approximately 2 million. The way that Trump is doing it may be more extreme(As is just about everything that man does) but it’s certainly not unprecedented.

Also I would not advise deliberately overstaying your visa. That can get you into a lot of trouble, as it did a friend of mine, years before Trump.

Obviously I didn't mean they were literally like trans people FFS.

I meant (as I'm sure you realise) that just because people are doing something and maybe some apparently 'in the know' re: the law sanction it, then it doesn't meant it is legally correct. I used the example of Trans people and 'Stonewall law' as it's a contemporary example and I honestly can't think of any other examples where people have been so wilfully mislead re: the law.

I'll make the comparison clearer for you:

US immigration (according to you) - come to a routine meeting and it's okay for you to stay here illegally.

Stonewall - the equality act refers to gender so act accordingly.

Both stances are wrong in the eyes of the law in their respective countries and have done nothing more than misguide.

You say Firstly the USA was built by immigrants. It has a culture of immigrants and has done for 100s of years.

That means nothing if you are there illegally.

From what I understand, Trump won certain states purely on the vote of the Latino community. Now they're complaining about what they voted for. People were warned that he'd put the military on the streets and there wasn't capacity for due process but mass deportation was a vote winner.

If you click on "Show full article" it should show the whole thing.

What? It's nothing remotely like trans people in the UK.🤯

Firstly the USA was built by immigrants. It has a culture of immigrants and has done for 100s of years.

Secondly the "illegals" are able to work because they were given a SS Number by the state.

Thirdly, they know they are "illegal". They have to attend routine immigration appointments with immigration officials who know them, know where they live, know where they work and know they are there illegally. They do it for years and even decades.

I know there are some on Mnet who feel the need to shoehorn trans into every discussion🙄 but your comparison is an impossible stretch and totally incorrect.

I'm sorry I can't read that. All I can see is someone called Carol has lived in the US for 20 years and is now in prison

So it's a case of it's been happening so it must be the 'law'- a bit like trans people in the UK having the impression that the equality act didn't refer to actual sex (despite anyone with half a brain knowing it did).

So they are still there illegally.

How would you pay tax without a social security number or ITIN or some kind of ID number. I sometimes have to pay US tax and I still have to put in lots of ID numbers for it to work?

Here's one example. There are millions more just like Carol, most from Latin America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/28/us/missouri-immigrant-trump.html

Since it's inception the USA has allowed people to overstay visas or just accepted them. They've been permitted to work, buy property, start businesses, pay taxes and have children who then have Birthright citizenship.

Its not like the UK.

Please can you explain how some US illegal immigrants are there illegally at all because I really don't understand this now.

This isn't just about those in the country illegally and many Americans are waking up to that now.

The "illegals" that Trump is going after aren't undocumented. They have jobs, houses, families. They pay their taxes. Their children are American citizens. Some aren't there illegally at all. They're now afraid to go to work or school incase they're seized, imprisoned or sent to other countries all without any due process.

America has become a country where masked men can take you off the street, bundle you into a car and send you god knows where.

That's terrifying!

If you entered a country illegally, do you think it's your right to stay in that country and not get deported?

Like many, I have family and friends in America. They are scared and I'm worried about them as Trump turns the Land of the Free into a facist state.

Op is quite correct - ordinary people will behave in an appalling way give instruction from their superiors

its well known

the USA tried to supress the research into this back in the day?1960s because they didn’t like to think their citizens would have taken part in the holocaust

OP, how are ordinary people being complicit in fascism? The people they want to expel are illegal immigrants who have broken the law being there.
In 1930s Germany Jews were not there illegally. They were German citizens so it's not at all comparable.

I also saw it on the news last night. People were being interviewed and basically saying they are illegal immigrants but so what?!?!

I had no idea illegal immigration was so common place in the US. Surely if you're doing something illegal you can expect to pay the consequences ? Mind you the US has no kind of welfare state so maybe that's why. It is literally every one for themselves.

I'm in the UK and I can't imagine that sort of attitude getting much support here.

"do you hate undocumented migrants so much that you're willing to get rid of your own rights as a citizen", this is the crux of the problem, American culture has been swallowed by consumerism and the resulting need for instant gratification, this combined with the pervasiveness of mass media on national identity results in a complete absence of civic duty and commitment to democratic principles. All of the above are destroying the notion of the free thinking agent, who would be able to recognise how self destructive these policies are.