Afraid for US

I try and stay away from these threads because of crap like this. The US and much of the UK services wouldn't run without immigrants. Many immigrants are net contributors and if they aren't their kids may well be. Why drink the right wing Kool Aid. Are you a net contributor?

A country leta an idiot run the asylum but the inmates are crazy ones i would say

I never understand there is a bunch of leaders who want to throw their toys at each other because someone took their lost marbles off them as kids sure I get it, as ridiculous as it sounds

It is the buffoons I imagine going 'bomb x sure sounds like great idea lers do it' that i can get my head around

On a much less of a scale an op (not talking this thread) starts a thread and sounds 'confused' sure get it but it is the poster's going along with them and encouraging them in their odd thinking that makes the least sense, so in a way is world leaders any different

What's unprecedented is Trump's flamboyant cruelty and his obvious enjoyment in creating panic.

Seems to me that if you're in a country illegally, and with no real ethical justification (e.g., you're not running away from a war zone), there's little incentive to announce yourself by applying for citizenship.

@TooBigForMyBoots

I"n the past documented illegals whose application failed would usually be given notice. Time to quit jobs, sell stuff, close their bank accounts etc. They were given a date by which to self-deport and provide documents for their journey.

All very reasonable, civilised and at little cost to the taxpayer."

Or in reality:

In the past documented illegals whose applications failed would be given notice. Knowing they would be deported this allowed them time to move State quickly and disappear into the wider country, and set up again elsewhere.

All very naive and totally ineffective and a waste of taxpayers money.

But of course, all very normal courses of action🙄

The whole point of what's happening in the US is that the people being detained are there illegally no matter where they are from originally, what religion they are etc etc.

That has always happened in the US. What's new are the targets and the method. In the past documented illegals whose application failed would usually be given notice. Time to quit jobs, sell stuff, close their bank accounts etc. They were given a date by which to self-deport and provide documents for their journey.

All very reasonable, civilised and at little cost to the taxpayer.

What's happening now is that parents, spouses, friends, neighbours, employees are being snatched off the streets, imprisoned and sent who knows where (Trump's talking about sending people to Guantanamo now) without notice or due process.

He is calling for the arrest of his democratically elected political opponents. He is putting the US Army on the streets of America. He is pushing the law and constitution to breaking point declaring "National Emergencies". Soon it will break.

That's reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

Then look harder!

What's legal/ illegal changes all the time. As himself belongs we need to be aware of what is right and what is wrong.

The problem is that the due process of law is not being followed. people are being deported without hearings. They are being sent to places they do not belong. Law enforcement and the military are stretching the traditional boundaries of their right to operate.

That is where the real problem lies. Not that sadly some people might be deported, but that the very fabric of our democracy is being tested.

It doesn't matter if they had come from the soviet union or if they were german. If they were in Germany legally it is nothing like what's happening in the US.

The whole point of what's happening in the US is that the people being detained are there illegally no matter where they are from originally, what religion they are etc etc.

Minorities are not being pitted against each other in any way, shape or form from what I can see.

Yes, I thought you were the poster talking about globalists and NGOs. I wanted to hear more as I find it interesting.

I think you're confusing me with the earlier poster upthread?
I didn't mention NGOs
I mean the true globalist elite are the so-called populists. They're hypocrites only serving the interests of billionaires.

But they'd maybe come from the soviet union. I think this is a very dangerous road the discussion on the holocaust is going down, what Hitler did was abominable whether they were there for centuries or not. It's pitting minorities against each other.

So people like Trump alongside NGOs have been flooding countries with people from lower income countries?

It's exactly who I mean of course! And all his international derivative counterparts

@TooBigForMyBoots thank you

Clearly the way they've been running things is a world away from what I'd consider sensible!

You mean like Trump?

The true globalists are the ones trying to impose dictatorships everywhere whilst claiming it's all 'free speech' (as long as you agree with them).

You are living in a known address with known employment and paying taxes while you progress your application for citizenship.

You'd think, but that's exactly what's happening.

Carol got an unexpected call to attend immigration. When she got there she was told it was to assist her American passport application. She was then brought to a room, told she was being detained for being illegal and shipped off to jail.

Carol is one person from a small town whose Trump voting residents are campaigning for her release. In places like LA it's happening on a much larger scale. And those protesting include many legal American citizens like the ones in Carol's town.

Trump's using this policy this way so he can put the army onto the streets of America. It's a very worrying time for the USA.

@TooBigForMyBoots I keep hearing the term "documented illegals"

If you're in the country illegally, what does documented mean in that context?

But presumably it would be worth doing, so you're not at danger of being deported - like Carol who had been in the US for 20 years and is now in prison.

The Obama administration deported over 3 million of them and ended the wet feet, dry feet policy, deporting even more than George W Bush who deported approximately 2 million. The way that Trump is doing it may be more extreme(As is just about everything that man does) but it’s certainly not unprecedented.

Yes I'd heard Obama administration was high in deportation numbers.

Apparently the trucks ICE were using in LA were know to cause issues with civilian populations it's why USA army stopped using them Afghanistan and Iraq and sold them on - something about the design seems to increase tensions with civilian populations. That and escalation of language and troops I think the administration wants the publicty and reaction they got.

What are you talking about?