Ban the burka?

So you want what you describe as oppressed woman to never be able to leave their homes? Fucking brilliant.

Perhaps the British culture is the one that doesn't want it?

Go on a plan to Iran and when it leaves 90% of the women remove the head scarf

The effect is identical.

All my Muslim friends see the burka ban as the racist dog whistle it is. There is no outcry for it in the Muslim community and you know it. And my culture does not revolve around forcing women to wear a prescribed dress code or ban alternative cultures. That is not feminism it's fascism.

Are you calling me a liar? Please say that outright so that I can report you. I have travelled extensively in Muslim countries and have chosen at times to wear the burqa because it suited me. How dare you accuse me of lying.

I don’t think nuns or Jews cover their faces do they? I might be wrong.

You have no idea who wants help. Maybe it doesn't suit you that so many women who are wearing these clothes want freedom.

However, if they want to wear them, they can do so in their own homes.

Now you are just getting stupid, skirts are fab, hot pants are fab, most British men don't wear them and if they do there's probably a MN thread condemning it!

Why are you so invested in demanding that every woman wearing a burqa should not do so, irrespective of their free choice. Should not women be able to choose their attire themselves without any man or woman telling them what they are allowed to wear?

There's thousands of very liberated Muslim women in this country that don't need white saviours especially the ones who's main political policies revolve around gunning small boats of brown people out of the English Channel to stop them reaching shore.

Firstly, Muslim women are asking for a ban.
They need help, they need an excuse.

Secondly, British women have the right to request that their culture is respected and adopted by people moving here. Just as we should do when visiting places abroad which request special clothing.

Thirdly, you cannot call people who do not agree with you ' ultra right wing'. You lose any sensible points you may have made.

You are comparing a full body and face covering to people who show their face?

Of course you did.

If they’re so fab why aren’t men wearing them?

It's interesting to me that you know so little. Burqa's are very cooling - I have worn them, as a non-muslim and out of choice. And they are really not always black. Try the google search "colourful burqa design"....

They'd be bring shame on their families, be disowned and ostracised if they did that. Nobody from the same background would marry members of their family for generations
Possibly worse.
You ought to learn more about others.

That's done to stop bees stinging you, not to send a message you are a modest woman and not up for grabs, silly.

A slightly different premise and intent.

If it was valid then it would be British Muslim women asking for the ban, not ultra right wing white people.

Covering your face during a pandemic is hardly the same as doing so for religious/ cultural reasons.

This is a reason to ban it.
Have you seen how quickly Iran descended feom women's rights and freedoms, to full on eye removal for women showing their hair?

Oddly, you are bringing up Iran when the subject is a British MP talking about banning the burqa in Britain, because British MP's do not get to tell non-British countries what they can and can't do. And you are allowed to introduce random countries to support your right to tell women what they can wear, yet complain about others doing it (and I have been clear that nobody should have the right to dictate what women wear) whilst people claim it just isn't British because "we are better than that"?

Can you not see the perversity in complaining that some women may not choose the burqa, so you will force those who do choose it to wear what you want them to?

I have never met amongst thousands of European culture and descent people across many decades anyone who wanted to cover up in sheets to prevent lust in men when they went out nor a single woman that needed a man's permission to leave the house. It would have been illegal to and domestic abuse.

There are some problems but the scale and nature of restricting women's freedom aren't the same as the imported problems of unknown cruelty to women that are executed legally and supported widely.

But keep bleating.

I always find this an interesting argument. Society effectively bans lots of items of clothing in different contexts. I can’t just walk down the street in a thong and nipple tassles for instance. I cant go to work in a bikini. My child has to wear a suit to school- he can’t wear jeans. It is perfectly allowable to say certain clothing is not allowed in certain contexts.

I for one dislike religious clothing of any description. It is acts as a division between people and sorts people into tribes who associate together which goes a sense of united culture. I personally think no one should have any visible identification of their religion on them (aside from if it is part of your profession).

Beaches, swimming pools and public and private gardens are good places for being semi-clad. Town centres and shopping centres are not good places.