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The coming WW3

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Wizeman · 04/06/2025 01:31

Is World War III Becoming Inevitable?
With rising global tensions, it's becoming increasingly difficult to ignore the possibility of a third world war. The international order appears to be unraveling in multiple regions simultaneously, and the threat of large-scale conflict is no longer just theoretical — it's plausible. There are three key areas of the world where I believe a spark could ignite a global war: Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.

Europe: The Ukraine Conflict and a Resurgent Russia

The war in Ukraine has dragged on for years, and the outlook remains grim. Despite significant Western support, Ukraine appears to be engaged in a war of attrition it may not be able to sustain indefinitely. Meanwhile, Russia has not only endured but adapted. The Russian military is now reportedly larger than it was at the beginning of the war, and its economy and industry have been redirected toward long-term wartime production.
As of December 2024, the Russian Armed Forces counted nearly 2.4 million personnel, with over 60% on active duty. This marks a significant increase from previous years. Russia's military expenditure in 2023 was approximately $109 billion, about 5.9% of its GDP.
This raises a troubling question: what happens when the war in Ukraine ends — however it ends? If Russia emerges with a rearmed military, combat-hardened troops, and an industrial base focused on warfighting, it could pose a renewed threat to NATO countries. Many analysts worry that Europe could find itself facing a newly empowered Russia within the next five years.

The Middle East: Iranian Ambitions and Regional Instability

The Middle East remains a volatile flashpoint, particularly with Iran's continued pursuit of nuclear capabilities. If Iran succeeds in developing a nuclear weapon, it could dramatically shift the region’s balance of power. The United States and Israel have made it clear they will not tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran, which raises the specter of a military confrontation.
As of early 2025, Iran possesses enough highly enriched uranium for approximately nine potential nuclear bombs. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has reported that Iran is producing uranium enriched to 60% purity at a rate of 35 to 40 kilograms per month, up from 6 to 9 kilograms per month prior to December 2024.
The United States and Iran are engaged in high-stakes nuclear negotiations. However, U.S. officials remain divided on whether Iran should be allowed any enrichment for civilian purposes, adding complexity to an already tense diplomatic standoff.

Asia: China, Taiwan, and the Coming Superpower Showdown

The most concerning arena, however, is Asia — specifically the growing tension between China and Taiwan. Chinese leaders have openly stated their intention to "reunify" Taiwan by force if necessary, with a widely discussed timeline of 2027. The United States has committed to defending Taiwan, setting the stage for a possible direct confrontation between the two superpowers.
China now boasts the world’s largest navy, the largest standing army, and one of the most powerful air forces. The People's Liberation Army Air Force operates a fleet of approximately 4,000 aircraft, with around 2,566 designated for combat. While the U.S. military remains more technologically advanced, many now regard China as a peer-level adversary. If war breaks out, especially in the Pacific, it would be far more difficult and costly for the United States than any conflict in recent memory.

The Domino Effect: What This Means for the West

A U.S.-China war would force America to divert its military focus and resources to the Pacific, leaving Europe more vulnerable. In such a scenario, NATO countries — particularly the UK and mainland Europe — could find themselves facing a militarized and emboldened Russia without the full weight of U.S. military support.
Historically, the Western alliance has had the military advantage in global conflicts, yet victory has never been easy or guaranteed. In a future conflict, if the West is no longer the more powerful force, the outcome becomes far more uncertain.

The Final Question: What If We Don’t Win?

This is the uncomfortable question few seem willing to ask. What if the next world war doesn't end in our favor? What if our adversaries are better prepared, more united, or simply more determined?
Despite mounting evidence, the public and many political leaders seem reluctant to treat these warnings with the seriousness they deserve. The writing is on the wall — and history has shown us the cost of ignoring such signs.

I did use chatgpt to try and make this a bit more formal 😅 all of this is what I believe could happen

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RowsOfFlowers · 27/06/2025 14:33

Not another WW3 fear-mongering thread 🙄

TuttiFruittiSweets · 25/06/2025 06:32

OP, that is one helluva long post. If I want ChatGPT answers I can use it myself.

AmelieSummer25 · 19/06/2025 17:13

50usedeggshells · 04/06/2025 12:36

I agree.

Best post I've read on MN in weeks. Finally some original thought.

On the other hand, you can see why they chose to use it 🤣

AmelieSummer25 · 19/06/2025 17:09

Oh & you might want to rethink your user name.

AmelieSummer25 · 19/06/2025 17:08

Wizeman · 04/06/2025 01:53

Nope just made it more formal and got rid of mistakes. It's basically the same just formal.

Why did you think you needed to pist your book on here.

thats not a conversation starter, its a long lecture.

tramtracks · 19/06/2025 17:05

dubsie · 07/06/2025 14:04

We are not going to war against Russia because Russia has already lost. It's over for Russia as it's demise has already happened. It's attacks have been largely predictable and waves of digital attacks have met strong security.

China isn't actually a threat either we just need to have clever diplomacy. There's no benefit in going to war against a country like China because we would lose.

I'm more concerned about instability as the result of conflict. Look at the middle east and the instability in Syria, Gaza, Yeman...etc.

The world needs peace in order for us to prosper and tackle the issues we face this millennium.

‘China isn’t a threat…’ I’m not so sure. Personally I think they are the biggest threat.

tramtracks · 19/06/2025 17:03

dubsie · 07/06/2025 14:04

We are not going to war against Russia because Russia has already lost. It's over for Russia as it's demise has already happened. It's attacks have been largely predictable and waves of digital attacks have met strong security.

China isn't actually a threat either we just need to have clever diplomacy. There's no benefit in going to war against a country like China because we would lose.

I'm more concerned about instability as the result of conflict. Look at the middle east and the instability in Syria, Gaza, Yeman...etc.

The world needs peace in order for us to prosper and tackle the issues we face this millennium.

History has taught us that you can only negotiate peace from a position of power and military strength.

Punted · 07/06/2025 14:21

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Westfacing · 07/06/2025 14:16

I'm not engaging with a drunk.

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Dominic Cummings himself said that Britain is highly likely for a civil war and he knows the North. If he's says it's likely then you should listen.

'Himself' implies there is a very important philosopher, historian, scientist or Nobel polymath called Dominic Cummings that I know nothing about!

Who is this DC of whom you speak? Hmm

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dubsie · 07/06/2025 14:04

We are not going to war against Russia because Russia has already lost. It's over for Russia as it's demise has already happened. It's attacks have been largely predictable and waves of digital attacks have met strong security.

China isn't actually a threat either we just need to have clever diplomacy. There's no benefit in going to war against a country like China because we would lose.

I'm more concerned about instability as the result of conflict. Look at the middle east and the instability in Syria, Gaza, Yeman...etc.

The world needs peace in order for us to prosper and tackle the issues we face this millennium.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 07/06/2025 13:53

@Punted welcome to Mumsnet! Out of interest, how did you find your way here? Usually I'd expect to find your style of spittle-flecked screed of bullshit to be coming from some drunk, red faced bloke in a flat-roofed pub, not on a parenting website.

Punted · 07/06/2025 13:45

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RachelRosing · 06/06/2025 10:41

Always scaremongering when an OP uses AI to write a really long post, comes back with more and more and uses phrases such as 'I'll make it simple for you...'

ncforschoolhelp · 06/06/2025 09:17

@Wizeman just because you put lots of exclamation marks after a point you make, doesn't mean you're right.

What a pointless, fear mongering post just to worry vulnerable people.

You should be very ashamed.

MagePaige · 06/06/2025 09:10

And not just that but we’re not talking within the next 3 years re the threat from Russia - as the recent SDR made clear, this is about a long term threat and preparing for that. Russia is investing in its military even more, it intends to build up and modernise its forces and is leveraging a war economy. NATO has to overmatch this in order to deter, hence the need to invest and promote European defence. Our play area is the North Atlantic and Arctic and we need to do our part there in the same way that Poland is doing it for Eastern Europe

notimagain · 06/06/2025 07:17

dubsie · 05/06/2025 19:45

Russia has lost any ability to use it's nuclear weapons. It has no air craft carrier, most of its subs are out of service, it's lost 95 percent of its long term bombers and the ICBMs are so old most people think they won't work

You taking bets on all that?

The surface aircraft carrier force wasn't really that relevant to their nuclear capability.

Those in the know reckon Russia's Ballistic Missile Submarine Fleet is probably the one arm of that service that still gets proper maintence and training.

Their long range Air Force/Naval Aviation has not lost 95% of it's Long Range Bombers and the pride/ real teeth of the strategic bomber force, the Tu-160 Blackjack fleet, was untouched by last weekend's attack.

Yes there are questions about the silo based missile but they don't need many to work....

It's naive to think Russia can't still use a significant number of nuclear weapons.

dubsie · 05/06/2025 22:48

America can't defeat China in a conventional war in the Pacific. It's simply not possible. Just the same as China would be unable to win a war on American soil. The problem will always be logistics as you need to sustain your forces from afar.

America can project it's power using it's super carriers but there are limitations. China invading Taiwan will certainly result in large scale losses but if successful then the Americans would find it impossible to repel because they couldn't sustain the delivery of that level of fire power for more than a few months.

HelenaWaiting · 05/06/2025 22:41

ItsSoFoggy · 04/06/2025 13:11

@Wizeman

Just you watch when China invade Taiwan around 2027 thr u.s won't be able to do anything about it.

Do you know something we (I?) don’t know?, that is very specific!

This thread is so similar to the scaremongering AI future thread.

That's because the post is lifted word for word from a number of published articles on the subject. And then buffed up using ChatGPT.

dubsie · 05/06/2025 20:28

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 05/06/2025 19:53

Russia has singularly failed to defeat Ukraine. In attempting to do so it's burned through a huge pile of its best equipment and personnel. It's in absolutely no position to take on the rest of Europe.

Exactly, Russia has nothing to threaten us....no long range weapons left and no delivery method. Crude drones that can't accurately target anything other than randomly bombing civilians.

Russia is finished and there is no return to anything while our sanctions are in place.

If Europe decided to show some guts it could destroy what's left of the Russian military in less than two weeks

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 05/06/2025 19:55

dubsie · 05/06/2025 19:45

Russia has lost any ability to use it's nuclear weapons. It has no air craft carrier, most of its subs are out of service, it's lost 95 percent of its long term bombers and the ICBMs are so old most people think they won't work

Indeed. The Russian navy is little more than a loose collection of rust just barely keeping afloat.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 05/06/2025 19:53

Russia has singularly failed to defeat Ukraine. In attempting to do so it's burned through a huge pile of its best equipment and personnel. It's in absolutely no position to take on the rest of Europe.

dubsie · 05/06/2025 19:45

TheNoonBell · 04/06/2025 21:13

Our esteemed leaders will use the "threat" of war in order to enact wartime powers, without any actual war. That way they can take your pension, savings and rights away from you.

An actual "hot" war with Russia would be very unwise as they would go nuclear if we started winning.

The only ones winning from this will be the elites.

Russia has lost any ability to use it's nuclear weapons. It has no air craft carrier, most of its subs are out of service, it's lost 95 percent of its long term bombers and the ICBMs are so old most people think they won't work

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