Labour voters….

Especially when Filipino & Indian nurses & carers are the dogs bollocks IME and worth every penny we pay them (and we should pay them more)

I would rather have someone who wants to do the job but is an immigrant than someone who is doing it just because they are told to do it if I have a preference.If we didn’t spend quite so much time running the jobs down and not seeing them as worthwhile or worth a pittance we might not have so much of a problem recruiting. Teaching has the same issue and the way we talk about these jobs has a country needs to change.

They do not have the skills nor do they have any interest in the role. It is poorly paid and regarded. Shifts are long, demanding physically and emotionally and involve unsociable hours. There are no qualifications and it is difficult to see it as a career with a career path. Why would you want someone who has no skills or interest in a role forced to look after you when you are disabled or vulnerable in some other way?

I mean, if the only way people can afford stuff it to use money someone else is earning not from working that’s a pretty dumb way to run a country and it isn’t a surprise everything is broken. And the people responsible for that are not the ones at the bottom of the chain.

@MissJeanBrodiesmother

Many care staff used to come from the EU. We closed that door and low and behold find that we still need the people to do this role

There are approximately 1.75 million people in the UK claiming unemployment benefits. What prevents them from working in care homes?

That’s quite a way to miss the point.

matresense
How do you suggest we recruit and maintain carers? We have an aging population and a health service that cannot discharge elderly people due to lack of care. Many care staff used to come from the EU. We closed that door and low and behold find that we still need the people to do this role. Hence the recruitment from other countries overseas. The government is closing this route not because it is bad for the country but because they think it makes them look more electable to Reform supporters. The care workers I know are going to be contributors to our economy. They work hard. They pay taxes and their children study at school. They are here at our invitation because we need their labour.

@RafaistheKingofClay

What would be much more useful is being able to afford to live now on a single income and have secure housing.

It’s called equity release.

Quite.

Try starting a thread on giving care workers and NHS staff (all of them not just the patient facing ones) an above inflation pay rise to bring them closer to pay restoration. They’ll be seen as grabby and Labour bending to the unions.

Look at the grief the doctors & Labour get on here for that pay settlement that wasn’t close to their starting point (full pay restoration) even though they are leaving their country in their droves so they can be better paid elsewhere.

i don’t disagree that many foreign born carers are very dedicated. The issue is that it has been very bad value for the country

But people want carers to work for peanuts so they can protect any inheritance

FWIW, I’m more than happy to pay the tax on my inheritance.

Just in case I should be accused of being a hypocrite for having one.

I mean people complain about downsizing & having to pay stamp duty.

I think too many people want their housing wealth, winter fuel & all care for free. They just don't even want to consider paying for anything.

Well then we need more immigration. So people need to stop complaining and deal with it.

OK but we do not actually want people having their wealth tied up in their house and not moving out and whingeing about withdrawal of WFA when they should be moving somewhere smaller and supporting themselves?

What would be much more useful is being able to afford to live now on a single income and have secure housing

exactly

I mean the French start taxing gifts under 10000 euros. Here you go
https://www.kentingtons.com/news-blog/tax-planning/french-gift-tax/

It would be more effective to tax all cash gifts above 50k and gifts into trusts (than inheritance tax?) Inheritance tax is very easily avoided.

For the average person who has their wealth tied up in their house it isn't that easy.

Also FFS this.

Unless I bump my parents off, if they live as long as their parents I’m going to be in my late 50s before I see that inheritance. What would be much more useful is being able to afford to live now on a single income and have secure housing.

@MissJeanBrodiesmother

i don’t disagree that many foreign born carers are very dedicated. The issue is that it has been very bad value for the country, because if you let one carer bring in many dependents, or if you don’t ensure people continue to work in the care sector after having got the visa and for some time afterwards (5 years is too little to qualify for ILR and then go and work in a low wage in retail elsewhere in my view), then you have acquired a lot of long term liability without resolving your labour shortage. I guess we could be more like Singapore and make it easy to come as a carer but hard to get citizenship on that route. I don’t have the answers, but I don’t think it’s fair to pretend there is one path that is easy and economically beneficial and it’s only xénophobes who would oppose it.

It would be more effective to tax all cash gifts above 50k and gifts into trusts (than inheritance tax?) Inheritance tax is very easily avoided.

£2million is a ridiculous number given the very very small % of the population that pay it as it is.

And if we are comparing tax systems and suggestion that lower and middle income households need to pay more on their income compared to other countries we could bring inheritance tax into line to and reduce the threshold and pay a greater % on it.

i would rather pay more inheritance then more income taxes personally.

Nobody wants a house price crash but if we are going to talk inequality, then it has to be the British home ownership scam. Perpetuated by countless Governments.

making housing the economy has fucked it.

But the reason many are not paying enough tax is because housing became too expensive, in many areas, relatively speaking to income. Had the housing situation been managed properly in terms of supply and demand, there would be more taxes for the taking. Instead they are still encouraging the tax free Ponzi scheme which is main residence. Why should it be tax exempt? It is the number one unearned asset that countless people have cashed in on, with no benefit to anyone else except for artificially keeping prices high as bank of mum and dad then continues down the generations. Nobody wants a house price crash but if we are going to talk inequality, then it has to be the British home ownership scam. Perpetuated by countless Governments.

I agree with this. Politicians needs to have the courage to be honest about it.