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Nearly half of foreign NHS nurses plan to quit Starmer Britain

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Lentilweaver · 14/05/2025 22:38

Predictably.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/14/nearly-half-of-foreign-nhs-nurses-plan-quit-starmer-britain/

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gingercat02 · 16/05/2025 17:10

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 16:50

Scotland has a smaller, proportionately more elderly population. The costs for elderly care are even more acute in Scotland where there are more old people per young tax payer and often in rural and remote communities and islands. Add in free prescriptions and baby boxes and you will see why Scottish health services are more expensive.

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And Scotland pay more and work a shorter week (for AHPs anyway not sure about nurses)

BarneyRonson · 16/05/2025 16:55

Absolutely true that newly qualified nurses here are not being employed and imported nurses are being used instead. Something smells odd doesn’t ? Anyone would think the idea is to make Nigel Farage more popular.

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 16:50

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 16:07

The NHS has always been cut to the bone apart from the first decade of this century. The pandemic and its aftermath should mean more nursing recruitment now as the government meets its pledge to catch up with the crazy waiting lists. I appreciate that I have no experience or knowledge of Scotland but I thought the Scottish government spent more on health than England.

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Scotland has a smaller, proportionately more elderly population. The costs for elderly care are even more acute in Scotland where there are more old people per young tax payer and often in rural and remote communities and islands. Add in free prescriptions and baby boxes and you will see why Scottish health services are more expensive.

Ethelflaedofmercia · 16/05/2025 16:47

@BIossomtoes not a clue? We’re in Chester and they simply cannot get a job.

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 16:07

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 15:33

Can you really not think of anything that may have happened to the NHS since 2019??? It is hugely dysfunctional and has not recovered financially post-Covid, it is cut to the bone and beyond. The NHS of 2019 is not the NHS of 2025.

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The NHS has always been cut to the bone apart from the first decade of this century. The pandemic and its aftermath should mean more nursing recruitment now as the government meets its pledge to catch up with the crazy waiting lists. I appreciate that I have no experience or knowledge of Scotland but I thought the Scottish government spent more on health than England.

LoveTKO · 16/05/2025 15:40

I read on another thread that some British nurses were struggling to get a job. That’s madness. Jobs for Brits!

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 15:33

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 15:14

When did they stop being there? They were certainly there in 2019, what’s happened since then?

Can you really not think of anything that may have happened to the NHS since 2019??? It is hugely dysfunctional and has not recovered financially post-Covid, it is cut to the bone and beyond. The NHS of 2019 is not the NHS of 2025.

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 15:14

When did they stop being there? They were certainly there in 2019, what’s happened since then?

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/05/2025 15:10

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 15:09

It’s how it worked when I worked in the NHS. Given that my stepdaughter who qualified in 2019 is now a Band 7 it seems it still does for some people.

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The entry level jobs simply aren't there anymore.
Because the NHS is filling those jobs either foreign trained nurses that have post qualification experience.

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 15:09

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 15:07

Not in the NHS....

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It’s how it worked when I worked in the NHS. Given that my stepdaughter who qualified in 2019 is now a Band 7 it seems it still does for some people.

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 15:07

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 14:57

So experienced nurses move up and make room at the bottom. It’s how career progression works.

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Not in the NHS....

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 15:06

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 14:29

There are currently over 5k nursing vacancies in Scotland according to the RCN.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/news/new-data-support-rcn-scotland-calls-for-action-071223

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Because vacancies exist it does not mean they are being filled by recruiting nurses, sadly. it usually means overworked nurses, unsafe practices and a reliance on agency staff. As I stated a ward has recently been closed with nurses needing to relocate or lose their jobs. The patient demand is there but the budget isn't, so it is cut, cut, cut, with vacancies unfilled and agency nurses used to plug the gaps.

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 14:57

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/05/2025 14:50

Have a look on NHS Scotlands website. The words Senior, Charge, Lead and B7 feature an awful lot.

So experienced nurses move up and make room at the bottom. It’s how career progression works.

MarieG10 · 16/05/2025 14:55

We have been recruiting foreign nurses at my Trust for several years (hundreds per year). Very very few return home except for holidays. One of the attractions is that they stay. What is wrong is we have recruited so many we couldn’t offer jobs to our home grown students….so very badly planned

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/05/2025 14:50

Have a look on NHS Scotlands website. The words Senior, Charge, Lead and B7 feature an awful lot.

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 14:34

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/05/2025 14:31

These won't be roles suitable for newly qualified nurses.

How do you know that? Or did you just make it up?

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/05/2025 14:31

These won't be roles suitable for newly qualified nurses.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/05/2025 14:30

Given half of ALL nurses plan to quit it's no surprise that half of foreign nurses plan to do the same.

HeadNorth · 16/05/2025 14:04

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 13:55

How can this be possible when the most recent data shows there are 40k nursing vacancies in the UK?

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What data is this? I, too, know newly graduate nurses who can't get a job (Scotland).

gingercat02 · 16/05/2025 14:04

HeadNorth · 15/05/2025 06:25

I know nurses who are being made redundant with ward closures. I know student nurses graduating and unable to get a job. It is riciculous but true, the cash strapped NHS is cutting nurses jobs despite mushrooming demand and nurses being on their knees with overwork and responsibility creep.

The Telegraph just wants to stick the boot into Labour as usual. Its readers wouldn't countenance properly funding the NHS to provide good wages and conditions to the nurses we already have and are training.

This.
Our trust have just put out a voluntary severance scheme for all staff, they don't normally include clinical staff.

BIossomtoes · 16/05/2025 13:55

Ethelflaedofmercia · 15/05/2025 23:27

My sister and her friend are student nurses nearing the end of their courses. They have been told that no jobs are available. My sister is applying for supermarket jobs until she can find one

How can this be possible when the most recent data shows there are 40k nursing vacancies in the UK?

Ethelflaedofmercia · 15/05/2025 23:27

My sister and her friend are student nurses nearing the end of their courses. They have been told that no jobs are available. My sister is applying for supermarket jobs until she can find one

Jackrussellsaremad · 15/05/2025 23:25

BIossomtoes · 15/05/2025 22:22

Some of them don’t. The Philippines train many more nurses than they need specifically to export them. It benefits their economy as they send money home.

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Many of them do though. We should try and train our own nurses and pay them properly rather than importing them from developing countries. I don't know if Keir Starmer agrees.

BIossomtoes · 15/05/2025 22:22

Jackrussellsaremad · 15/05/2025 21:06

Bearing in mind we complain that doctors trained in the UK then slope off to other countries, I presume those countries that have the expense of training nurses who then slope off here feel the same way. Particularly if they are poor countries in great need of nurses and care workers who instead are here looking after people in the UK. We never seem to care much about those countries.

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Some of them don’t. The Philippines train many more nurses than they need specifically to export them. It benefits their economy as they send money home.