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Call to Birmingham to Stand Against Fascism

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BisiBodi · 14/05/2025 11:53

This Saturday, fascist Britain First are planning to come to Birmingham, one of the UK’s most diverse cities, to call for mass deportations of immigrants. They have told their supporters that they will not be visiting "the bad, multicultural areas of Birmingham". Instead, they will be in the City Centre.

Shamefully, the police have made the decision to allow them to march to Victoria Square, Birmingham’s most iconic and most central public space, where they will be allowed to have their rally. Furthermore, the police have told anti-racist activists in the city that anyone who wants to oppose the fascist march will be allowed to assemble but will not be permitted to march.

Across Europe the far right are growing in influence and Trump's re-election has boosted their confidence. Reform UK is starting to make significant electoral gains. Fascist groups like Britain First are emboldened by the mainstreaming of racist and bigoted narratives against immigrants, Muslims and LGBT+ people. This is why they have chosen to march in Birmingham.

Kier Starmer has now added to the avalanche of vile racist rhetoric that blames immigrants for society's problems rather than the billionaires and politicians who have created the chaos.

If you live in Birmingham, or are close to Birmingham, then consider joining our united and peaceful protest.
Let's show 'Britain First' that Birmingham is a multicultural city.
Let's stand together against hatred and bigotry.

Call to Birmingham to Stand Against Fascism
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MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 12:58

inkognitha · 16/05/2025 12:48

At least someone knows something or has had the standards to collect some basic facts first before virtue signalling their outrage, thank you.

It shouldn’t take 5 pages of comments.

And fascism is not a mix of racism and Islamophobia, that is a misuse of the word coming from lack of rigorous thinking and respect for truth and history.

Could you explain why you support them?

inkognitha · 16/05/2025 12:48

At least someone knows something or has had the standards to collect some basic facts first before virtue signalling their outrage, thank you.

It shouldn’t take 5 pages of comments.

And fascism is not a mix of racism and Islamophobia, that is a misuse of the word coming from lack of rigorous thinking and respect for truth and history.

EvolutionistAmongCreationists · 16/05/2025 12:46

Jasmin71 · 16/05/2025 12:24

Britain First are basically the watered down wing of National Action which is now a proscribed organisation with fascist ideology in it's bones. Mostly filled up with ex Combat 18 thugs, encouraging hate in this new generation of idiots.

There you go !

Yup. We can all carry out basic research and see Britain First for what they are. @inkognitha, not so much!

EvolutionistAmongCreationists · 16/05/2025 12:44

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Jasmin71 · 16/05/2025 12:24

Britain First are basically the watered down wing of National Action which is now a proscribed organisation with fascist ideology in it's bones. Mostly filled up with ex Combat 18 thugs, encouraging hate in this new generation of idiots.

There you go !

inkognitha · 16/05/2025 11:17

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That they’re slinging the term fascists without understanding its meaning and without bothering to support it with facts? I happily double down

i m not talking about what the BFP is, I m talking about the low-info, low-reasoning propaganda parroting you call taking part in a debate

EvolutionistAmongCreationists · 16/05/2025 09:47

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Lolapusht · 15/05/2025 10:31

As a follow up…the memorial in Brighton has been destroyed over 40 times and was destroyed again this week

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1922709343641681949?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ]]

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1922709343641681949?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ%5D%5D

Lolapusht · 14/05/2025 19:17

TheQuickRobin · 14/05/2025 12:35

I hadn’t been aware of that. I can only think of a few majority jewish areas and can’t think of marches through them? Though may have missed but i wouldn’t have thought that would be allowed?

Has happened quite a lot. Swiss Cottage, Southend, Brighton…

Brighton is particularly lovely. Heidi Bachram is married to one of the deceased hostage’s cousin. They have a book of remembrance and a memorial that is routinely destroyed. Marches have chosen a route to go past the area that isn’t in the city centre nor is it in a position that would be an obvious route for a march.

It’s deliberate.

Have a pro-Palestine march but how about avoiding Jewish areas and synagogues (particularly when timed so people are coming out of services)?

BisiBodi · 14/05/2025 13:58

Raptorteacher · 14/05/2025 12:58

Do you know I was listening to a podcast the other day, and the lady made a fascinating point that I’d not really considered before. She said (along the lines of, can’t remember to direct quote nor want to misrepresent) multi ethnic societies are good and a nice thing to aspire to - people from all different ethnicities come together to live in a particular way, all as equals, common goals living successfully, lovely.

However multicultural society has been proven over and over again not to work. Groups pushed together sharing resource and land area whilst keeping their own ideals and beliefs which don’t marry and often conflict with their neighbours, inevitably creating tension as each culture competes to put their own first. They ultimately become unmanageable and lawless, as the original law of the land cannot be applied equally due to cultural differences. Each side gives negative labels to the other, extreme and provocative behaviours escalate until war erupts and one side ‘wins’ and takes over.

This post reminds me of that, you are saying these protestors are fascists but are they? Are you really the fascist for wanting to shut them down from voicing their opinions? Why are their views lesser than yours? Do you have evidence for the collective defamatory labels you have given them or are you deliberately trying to provoke negative response to escalate hostilities? Aren’t all these marches and protests popping up everywhere just an inevitable consequence of the failure of multiculturalism repeating history yet again? Found it very interesting.

Ok, rather a lot to unpack here - and my time is very limited - but let me try to address some of the points which are, I think, perhaps falling a little short in their current state.

Firstly, the label of fascist/neo-fascist group applied to Britain First is a near-universal one. Have all these people, from official bodies to journalistic outputs, all collectively descended to the level on an internet chat forum and decided to label anyone who disagrees with them as Hitler's fanboys? Of course not. Only the terminally bereft of critical thinking would believe that.
Rather, the label is a direct response to the ideologies, self-proclaimed ideologies I should add, espoused by this group. They are quite simply, by every reasonable measure, a hate group who follow neo-fascist ideologies. That's neo-fascist, not old school fascist, as they do not - to the best of my knowledge - also believe the democratic state should be dismantled.

Secondly, I'm afraid I must refine the statement "However multicultural society has been proven over and over again not to work" to "Some multicultural societies, in certain circumstances, are sometimes unsustainable".

In point of fact, I'd suggest that not only have multicultural societies not failed in a historical context, but they have thrived.
Almost every nation on earth, including the people of the same fair Albion isles that members of these hate groups suggest should always be first in the queue based on a misunderstood notion of 'purity', has come about precisely because of multiculturalism.

Put simply, our nation today - such as it is - is stronger for migration and multiculturalism and not weaker, despite the hysterical screeching of the likes of Mr Farage and the Daily Mail.

Finally, if I can address a few points from the last paragraph; specifically "Why are their views lesser than yours? Do you have evidence for the collective defamatory labels you have given them or are you deliberately trying to provoke negative response to escalate hostilities?"

On the first point, I'm not sure it is stated that any view at odds with yours are "lesser", rather, that those who hold views which - in this case - espouse respect and inclusivity for cultures different to their own reserve the right to gather and oppose those who preach a rhetoric against those values.

On the second point, the question is backwards. If a statement is made, in this case the statement that Britain First are a known hate group with fascist/neo-fascist ideologies and an intolerance toward people they consider as unworthy, then it is up to detractors to disprove it.
It's a little like the old argument of the Creationist demanding evidence for the Theory of Evolution or they will continue to subscribe to their, very clearly batshit, idea of the world. The onus of responsibility rests on you to disprove.

In my specific case, I'm perfectly comfortable with the evidence that backs up my statement, but I neither need - nor am inclined - to do people's homework for them.

There is a considerable more to be said on this subject but, alas, I'm out of time.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 14/05/2025 13:38

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Everyone but Muslims?

inkognitha · 14/05/2025 13:38

And a foreign one to boot 😂😂😂

So far, only thing that makes them fascists in the eyes of the intellectual luminaries on this thread is « xenophobia » and « Islamophobia »

point 1/ that makes A LOT of ppl fascists

point 2/ fascism views about races were quite different from what lefties call « racism » and how people feel about migration and immigration today (very few ppl in the UK have racialist views of a superior race, a lot of people have strong objections against the volume of migration and the lack of integration, but the left can’t have this said out loud)

point 3/ Islamophobia was not a problem or a political cause in the 30s, totally anachronistic and inaccurate.

Anything more substantiated than this drivel, send it my way

Clavinova · 14/05/2025 13:36

As an aside, I remember reading (in the link) that 'none of the major party leaders visited Birmingham during the election campaign' last year.

Likely linked to campaigns of intimidation and harassment in Birmingham by pro-Palestinian supporters;

Jess Phillips spoke of party workers being filmed in the street and making regular calls to police, while Shabana Mahmood said masked men had disrupted a community meeting, "terrifying" people in attendance.

police officers lined the stage as she spoke

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

Also, it was Birmingham where the Sky News reporter was forced off air;

Masked thugs surround Sky News reporter and slash van tyres with knife during live report.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/uk-riots-birmingham-sky-news-reporter-thugs-b2591654.html

Daisy54 · 14/05/2025 13:31

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 14/05/2025 13:20

Daisy54 · 14/05/2025 13:19

Not necessarily. Perhaps people who share a similar belief system and culture?

Could you give some examples?

Daisy54 · 14/05/2025 13:19

Not necessarily. Perhaps people who share a similar belief system and culture?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 14/05/2025 13:13

Daisy54 · 14/05/2025 13:12

Mixing cultures does not work. I know first hand.

Is the ideal an ethnostate?

Daisy54 · 14/05/2025 13:12

Mixing cultures does not work. I know first hand.

PurpleChrayn · 14/05/2025 13:06

TheQuickRobin · 14/05/2025 12:35

I hadn’t been aware of that. I can only think of a few majority jewish areas and can’t think of marches through them? Though may have missed but i wouldn’t have thought that would be allowed?

It’s absolutely allowed. It’s encouraged. The police are on the pro-Pal/Islamo-fascist side.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 14/05/2025 13:04

@Raptorteacher Fascinating. Did the person have a solution?

radishgate · 14/05/2025 13:02

Looks like your thread has attracted some Pro Britain First bots OP.

Raptorteacher · 14/05/2025 12:58

Do you know I was listening to a podcast the other day, and the lady made a fascinating point that I’d not really considered before. She said (along the lines of, can’t remember to direct quote nor want to misrepresent) multi ethnic societies are good and a nice thing to aspire to - people from all different ethnicities come together to live in a particular way, all as equals, common goals living successfully, lovely.

However multicultural society has been proven over and over again not to work. Groups pushed together sharing resource and land area whilst keeping their own ideals and beliefs which don’t marry and often conflict with their neighbours, inevitably creating tension as each culture competes to put their own first. They ultimately become unmanageable and lawless, as the original law of the land cannot be applied equally due to cultural differences. Each side gives negative labels to the other, extreme and provocative behaviours escalate until war erupts and one side ‘wins’ and takes over.

This post reminds me of that, you are saying these protestors are fascists but are they? Are you really the fascist for wanting to shut them down from voicing their opinions? Why are their views lesser than yours? Do you have evidence for the collective defamatory labels you have given them or are you deliberately trying to provoke negative response to escalate hostilities? Aren’t all these marches and protests popping up everywhere just an inevitable consequence of the failure of multiculturalism repeating history yet again? Found it very interesting.

inkognitha · 14/05/2025 12:54

That’s a very complacent and self-serving word salad, still waiting to hear arguments, facts, etc.

BisiBodi · 14/05/2025 12:48

radishgate · 14/05/2025 12:43

I’m not buying this faux ignorance tbh…

I had the same immediate reaction, but I think on balance that I'm happy with this poster's response.

It forces us, which is arguably never a bad thing, to consider our own stances as reasonable, rational human beings and to hold our own morality up for scrutiny. If we all did that a little more, I really think society would be better for it.

I used the word 'fascist' in my opening post, this poster asked what makes them 'fascist'. That's fair.
Having now examined my OP, and considered my use of the word, I'm perfectly content it remains correct and appropriate.

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inkognitha · 14/05/2025 12:46

I am not googling and I am not stopping at « their stance »
When you call people fascists (and it’s not something you should say lightly), you must have evidence to back you up.
if you don’t have any arguments except « that s what everyone says » , you are just parrots and stirring hatred and you should go educate yourselves first

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