Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

Why do you think k that?

Do you really think that every single low paid care worker we have imported is dying to do care work? They do it because they have to, the same way British care workers will. Same thing.
At least the British workers might speak better English.

Is your partner here on a spouse visa, or is this through a worker one? Sorry if I'm asking silly questions, it's all so confusing.

@Holluschickie probably the Middle East - both in industries which have good opportunities there. DP is American but neither of us keen to move to the US.

But who knows - maybe we won’t need
to or choose to, but if there’s better career opportunities overseas than here it would be hard to say no. If I sponsored DP as a spouse, his ILR clock would reset because of changing type of visas. It just makes you rethink priorities and there’s absolutely an emotional reaction where it feels like DP isn’t wanted here 🙁

In regards to your last paragraph, I disagree. I see this line trotted out on every discussion forum, that people are " too thick" to know the difference between ' illegal' or ' asylum seeker'etc, as a sort of gotcha moment where they can they can then go on to demonstrate their intellectual superiority against the stupid, racist thickos. It's nonsense and doesn't wash anymore. People aren't stupid, they know the terminology. Do they get muddled occasionally, sure, but that's being human.

What a load of waffle. All talk no action. Sorry I voted for them.

I'd love to know how social care is supposed to cope... unemployed Brits are hardly going to fill the gaps are they? Costs will shoot up, standards will fall. Good luck Granny.

So because you are a net contributor then every single immigrant is a net contributor as well?

Where will you go @GlitteringFeeling ? Just being nosey. Don't answer if you don't want to.

Do we? As someone who was a net contributor surely under your system where all immigrants are a cost I should he receiving a fairly hefty tax refund.

And this is what it says ; Para 29

And we will separately set out new reforms to asylum and border security to
reduce small boat crossings, smash the gangs responsible for them, increase
deportations and returns, bring the asylum system back under control and end the use of asylum hotels

I don't see the "how" in this word salad.

There is no need to @ me.

I will reply to you or not, if I choose to.

The passage you underlined is about border controls and deportation. Nothing to do with smashing anything at the moment, but at some point in the future.

Maybe you should read it yourself first?

Absolutely, rather than the typical, throw away, stereotypical comments.

It would be so good to have a thread based on facts. (rather than misinformation and confusion).

Some PP’s have no basic understanding of the terms associated ( immigrant, illegal immigrant, asylum seekers) never in how this impacts on the legal processes and agreed programmes of support.

Rationally, I do agree with a lot of what is in the paper. Points like English language requirements for dependents, tightening up criminal deportations etc. I hope the graduate visa changes will make it easier for UK graduates to land roles

But as someone whose partner is very close (<7 months) to getting ILR, the 10 year settlement period is tough to swallow. I don’t know if a points based system will be nuanced enough for our situation - higher rate tax payer (£100k+ salary) but not in science/engineering/medicine. Before we were quite committed to staying for DP to get ILR and then citizenship. But if that’s another 5 years away, if I’m honest we’ll probably look abroad…especially if it’s harder to sponsor a skilled worker, as there’s a chance his career would stagnate at his current firm.

It does feel unfair when we’re net contributors to the UK - both higher rate tax payers, no kids to educate, use our private health insurance as first port of call etc. Honestly crossing our fingers the new settlement rule isn’t sorted out before November!

But, I do see the bigger picture and we do need some interventions to reduce some forms of migration. I wonder where all the social care workers are going to come from, and I’m sceptical of how we’re really going to implement skills programmes as we seem to have little success. but if on the whole migration for non-skill gaps jobs reduces then maybe that is the right thing.

The White Paper has only been presented to parliament today…

The problem with is that most don't speak English and many have had no prior education so we are talking years before they can work.

Fair enough @TimeTaken I will read it. Only read the press reports so far as was at work.

Well I pay tax and have done all my life from age 15.

At one stage I was losing a third of my salary in stoppages

Once asylum seekers are processed and are granted refugee status, they can then claim benefits. Whilst waiting for the decision, they are entitled to free board, nhs treatment and spending money etc

A large tax increase and a massive pay rise. Hopefully all those hard off higher earners that are eternally winging on here are happy to stump up a bit more and have some of their avoidance loopholes closed.

All of this makes me so anxious. My immigrant husband is also my carer and every time they "tighten immigration rules" it just makes me panic that we will be separated.

Some did, as they very much do now.

However, most didn't, they lived out their days in Geriatric wards, very traumatic places - my mum worked on one for a few weeks, the demented could be sent out of sight to Victorian asylums in the countryside, now exclusive flats or golf clubs.

Nursing homes were not unheard off, the wealthy used them, there were also Council run ones.

People also died of their ailments, now they live for many years.

Pre war, one of my Mums childhood memories was the stink from her Grans incontinence, no pads, no washing machines, tumble driers or detergents, her own mother could do this because her husband - Naval Officer - was well paid and she didn't need to go out to work.

You, like most people who witter on about the Good ole days have no fucking clue.