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Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

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OneAmberFinch · 12/05/2025 14:27

Full white paper here is extensive and announces changes to all avenues of migration - basically their approach to resolving the issues of massively increased migration from 2019-2023/4.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

And Starmer's commentary on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce810e3z6dkt

Handful of headline changes: default timeline to get ILR to go to 10 years instead of 5; abolishing new care worker visas; raising skills threshold for Skilled Workers back up to graduate level; increasing minimum grades required for student visas; various bits and pieces around English language requirements among several other policies

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:30

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 20:22

Pretty stupid to look at empty numbers though. Cutting net migration by limiting the numbers of the most productive migrants. Well done.

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This has been the argument all along with Reform supporters who wanted net zero.

We need immigration so how do we go about reducing it? Starmer has outlined a plan to reduce it, apparently this is what people want.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:28

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2025 20:22

Well, you can, but then it’s not net migration.

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He's talking about certain aspects of net migration.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/05/2025 20:27

Mypinkchequebookholder · 12/05/2025 18:03

I don't know the answer to that.

Years ago people looked after their elderly relatives themselves and nursing/care homes were unheard of.
We had our grandfather living with us for years.
Other people with funds available have "granny flats" built on or have static caravans in the back garden.
They cope with care/nursing support..

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Yeah and in those glory days women went from not being able to work because of children to not being able to work because of elder care. Engineering a shortage of carers is a great way to reverse feminism, equality and financial independence for women.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/05/2025 20:25

OneAmberFinch · 12/05/2025 18:00

The current plan includes sponsoring people to come here, work as care workers for 5 years, then get to stay here for the rest of their lives and need carers themselves. So in the long term it's not great.

I do agree that at some point we as a society will need to grapple with care costs but the care worker visa was not the right solution

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You seriously think that we should keep bringing in lots and lots of high paid, high skilled, degreed foreign workers like yourself who you hope can get an ILR exception of 5yrs instead of the new 10yrs. Yet you’re all for barring immigration for every one of lower education, skill and pay than yourself so that what? Working class British are kept in their place? No upward mobility because high paid, high skilled, degrees jobs are being filled by imported workers?
Because you think you’re obviously a better sort of immigrant?

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 20:22

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:20

It's possible to talk about net migration without talking about every single aspect of net migration. This was clearly demonstrated today by Starmer who was talking about stricter rules on who comes into the country in order to cut down on net migration.

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Pretty stupid to look at empty numbers though. Cutting net migration by limiting the numbers of the most productive migrants. Well done.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2025 20:22

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:20

It's possible to talk about net migration without talking about every single aspect of net migration. This was clearly demonstrated today by Starmer who was talking about stricter rules on who comes into the country in order to cut down on net migration.

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Well, you can, but then it’s not net migration.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:20

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2025 20:16

No. It can’t be net anything if you are not taking into consideration the whole.

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It's possible to talk about net migration without talking about every single aspect of net migration. This was clearly demonstrated today by Starmer who was talking about stricter rules on who comes into the country in order to cut down on net migration.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/05/2025 20:20

NHS Healthcare:
Even if an immigrant has an NRPF condition, they are still entitled to free NHS healthcare.

Pardon, but it’s not free to immigrants. They have to pay a per person NHS surcharge of £1,035 per year including for children in addition to the NIC and income taxes they pay at the same rate as British workers.

SomewhereinSuberbia · 12/05/2025 20:19

The proportion of minority groups living in Britain will rise from 10% in 2006 to 40% by 2050 (according to the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford).
I think we need to slow down immegration and try and assimilate the population that is here or we may end up fracturing into sectarianism.
Social cohesion is something that we have not have had to worry about before for many years but we need to get it right or sectarianism of religious or racial tribalism may take root.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2025 20:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:13

Which is factually correct. He was talking about cutting net migration regarding visas.

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No. It can’t be net anything if you are not taking into consideration the whole.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/05/2025 20:13

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2025 17:44

“MiloMinderbinder925 · Today 16:58
He was talking about cutting net migration to the UK.”

This is you earlier.

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Which is factually correct. He was talking about cutting net migration regarding visas.

suburburban · 12/05/2025 20:09

Indeed. It’s very frustrating especially the housing situation

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 20:07

suburburban · 12/05/2025 20:06

alot of people who live here can’t get dental care on the NHS

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It’s mind blowing to me how people cannot connect the sheer disintegration of the services of this country and the fact our population has exploded in size

suburburban · 12/05/2025 20:06

Mypinkchequebookholder · 12/05/2025 17:49

Asylum seekers get free accommodation (full board) , free dental treatment, access to NHS services, schooling for their children, access to free legal representation and £8.86 "spend"

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alot of people who live here can’t get dental care on the NHS

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 20:05

Mypinkchequebookholder · 12/05/2025 20:03

Just like these folk

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1CXMwu530Gg

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Omg this is one of my fave videos, the ‘we’d love to but we don’t have space’ 🤣

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 20:05

I’d like to be able to have a ‘family doctor’ like we did when I was a child. NHS appointments freely available, good schooling, less litter and takeaways everywhere, a common feeling and pride of the country and shared values.
my grandparents were immigrants but they worked hard, they had a shared religion with the religion of this country. They wanted to fit in and they did.
this doesn’t happen now.

Mypinkchequebookholder · 12/05/2025 20:03

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 20:01

It’s funny how the champagne socialists in their naice villages in Cheshire with their CHOOSE LOVE t shirts and Palestine scarfs will only wake up when it (inevitably) starts moving in to their areas.
complete NIMBYism, they love immigration until it affects them, then they won’t.

Just like these folk

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1CXMwu530Gg

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 20:02

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2025 20:02

Country make-up, which times are you hankering back to?

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I’d like my children to not have to attend a school where over 90% of the children have English as a foreign language, for example. Wouldn’t anyone?

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2025 20:02

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 19:59

‘The boat men’ are a distraction, the real issue has been happening for decades right in front of our eyes and genuinely the country make-up will never be the same again.

Country make-up, which times are you hankering back to?

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 20:01

It’s funny how the champagne socialists in their naice villages in Cheshire with their CHOOSE LOVE t shirts and Palestine scarfs will only wake up when it (inevitably) starts moving in to their areas.
complete NIMBYism, they love immigration until it affects them, then they won’t.

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 20:00

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/05/2025 19:56

Why do you wish that?

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Because my DH is days away from naturalisation. Having been through the process, I wish it handing like out candy rather than laborious, intrusive and expensive. So on a personal level, I fucking wish they were handed out like candy.
But they aren't. So it's nonsense.

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 19:59

‘The boat men’ are a distraction, the real issue has been happening for decades right in front of our eyes and genuinely the country make-up will never be the same again.

Blackcordoroys · 12/05/2025 19:59

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 19:56

Handed out like candy? I fucking wish 😂

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Last year 955,000 visas were given out, of which only 210,000 were to workers.

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 19:58

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 19:56

Handed out like candy? I fucking wish 😂

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In the year ending September 2024, 95,635 family-related visas were granted in the UK, including partner visas. Of these, a significant portion (14,417) went to Pakistani nationals, with most of those issued through the Family: Partner visa route. Syrian and Iranian nationals also received a large number of family visas in the same period.

Shinealighty · 12/05/2025 19:57

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 19:56

Handed out like candy? I fucking wish 😂

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Have you been to some boroughs in London? Tower hamlets for example?