Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

A few on mners repeat 14 years tirelessly but it’s a bit stuck. Better to get a tshirt with it on and move on.

Everyone else has. More people loathe Starmer and Reeves and Labour are behind Reform already.

Oh good, this again.

Just look at the settled status stats, I honestly can’t be bothered with posters like you who clearly have an agenda.

The migration figures are due in the next month. There should be a drop.

While no politician (even Farage won’t give a figure) will offer a figure, the slightly pathetic messaging now is if we get down to something like 200k per year this is reasonable, ie pre Brexit figures.

Reform will say something like zero. I say that because the closer they get to government the more they will wobble on this; they won’t have none. But they could have a much tougher system.

The outlier is the Conservatives; but they are toast obviously

Why would they risk their lives on a small overcrowded boat if they could just apply for visas?

Who is celebrating?

What a bizarre thing to say.

And why is on me to have a plan? I’m
not in government.

Ah yes the "We did nothing wrong in Govt" BS

Why the Tories are behind both Reform and Labour in the polls.

People are rejecting both main parties & reform are attracting former Tories both voters and MPs.

The party will be an irrelevance by the next GE under Badenoch - where is she?

Seems pretty daft to celebrate arbitrary visa cuts when there's no plan to manage the gaping holes... common sense would suggest plans come first.

Of course they’re going to cherry pick statistics to prove the benefits of immigration. they’re immigration lawyers.

the net benefits thing has now been disproven. At best, it’s break even.

Agree. The tories were terrible on this issue. But, they did bring in measures under Rishi Sunak/James Cleverly to reduce net migration. Labour have kept these measures as they are working. Numbers were due to fall significantly, even without the white paper.

Nope, you'll need to back that up with stats....

There is a reason we have issued millions of visas to Africans and SE Asians, E workers left and now don't come here.

Anecdotally, the EU care workers and HCA's we used, in Livewell have all gone back, replaced with some UK but mainly SE Asians, not just Brexit but due to their economies have done well, look at Poland for example?

People need to look forward. A fixation on the Tories and repeating 14 years isn’t going to get Labour a win.

You’re looking at the wrong competition. It’s engrained for some but the electorate aren’t, look at the polls.

The Boris Wave is a thing, and seems used in respectable press, Spectator, Prospect. There was an unbelievably awful article about Conservative migration policy in the Critic which is very scathing about post 2019. It is an awful article in some ways. But you don’t get to nearly a million people entering a country within it some mentality like this. As stated above, there isn’t a particular post 2019 why you couldn’t have regulated migration very finely. You write a criteria for entry. The Conservatives just wrote one that was vastly more open than the E.U. rules they had decided to remove.

thecritic.co.uk/explaining-the-boriswave/

Agree about the plan, I’m the wrong person to ask about one thought.

EU workers didn’t have to bring their dependents, but they did.

They brought their children here because they wanted them to be educated in the UK and they bright their elderly parents because they could get free NHS care and benefits further them.

The vast majority are now settled, many are in social housing.

Multiple same applications, withdrawn applications... look at EU population growth in the UK, after Brexit, less than 1m.

The alternative should be a robust plan to recruit and retain locals. But there's no sign of that is there?

When all else fails, pretend the Tories weren't in power for 14 years...

So who else gave us Brexit? let in millions of unskilled migrants? ran down public services? trebled tuition fees? took away the nurses bursary?
Lowered language skills for migrants....?

None of this happened over the last 9 months.

Agree. Plus the Tories thing is always used. Labour are fighting against Reform it won’t help.

And on the fragile basis of ‘more likely’ we should keep issuing hundreds of thousands of visas?

@jasflowers EU workers didn't have to bring in their children and parents, they were just 2 or 3 hours away and had decent homes and healthcare in their own countries, they also, generally speaking, didn't plan on living here for good.

8 million applied for settled status after Brexit.

@bombastix i think it’s been longer than 14 years tbh. It’s been a free for all since 2004 when the A8 EU countries gained FOM. Britain is an administrative shit show, we couldn’t even be bothered to police the FOM rules properly.

the big supermarkets have long questioned official population data. Suggestions that we were at 70 million back in 2007, officially we’ve still not reached that figure in 2025.

They are refugees

@DuncinToffee if they are genuinely fleeing danger why do they need to destroy their papers?

@jasflowers Like most of our problems, it all comes back to policies the Tories have given us over 14 years.

When all else fails blame the Tories 😀

Really? It was Tony Blair who opened the floodgates

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/29/labours-shameful-record-on-immigration

Ummmm the courts blocked those deportations NOT opposition MPs, but judges who followed the law of the land.

If you are so concerned about this, the Tories and their supporters were strangely silent at the time - you have changed the law?

You seem very keen to blame all the problems we face on Labour in opposition but no criticism of the party in Government for 14 years - odd to say the least.

btw i'm no fan of Labour let alone Starmer but to ignore the last 14 years?? really?

Jenrick now saying we are now a "Nation of Strangers" boo hoo Robert, thats all on your party!!

Well, i cannot comment on the accuracy of this statement but its certainly true that people coming here are bringing in dependents and often a lot of them.

The figure i read was in one year we gave out 170k care worker visas but over 340k dependent visas..

But we voted for this, perhaps you did?
EU workers didn't have to bring in their children and parents, they were just 2 or 3 hours away and had decent homes and healthcare in their own countries, they also, generally speaking, didn't plan on living here for good.

Like most of our problems, it all comes back to policies the Tories have given us over 14 years.