Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

There you go again! refusing to accept the blindingly obvious.

Reform is threat to both main parties.

btw Reform is no threat to me, personally, at all, my preference would be a LD win.

I don't like Labour or Starmer but equally, the Tories being replaced by Reform, will not be good for the UK

@ByQuaintAzureWasp

I don’t think that it is true that people don’t care about bringing people in to do work, any work. People want an immigration policy that serves the needs of the country in the long term. Bringing someone in to do care work on minimum wage, letting them bring their family and giving them settled status after 5 years with no obligation to continue doing care work and with an entitlement to benefits is a very low return for maybe 4 permanent visas. People now want to see a genuine assessment of benefit. They have been fobbed off

I‘ve seen a program about Germany and how they tried to handle the issue of missing ID.
They showed a case where immigration officials had their doubts about someone’s claimed origin, so they arranged appointments with embassies of a few different countries that particular person might have been from to help them determine.
The individual in question kept skipping the embassy appointments, so the complicated and time consuming process yielded no results.

@OneAmberFinchtotally agree with you. It is important to understand who you are talking about - the difference between the top universities and the bottom is huge

Reform’s polling isn’t even surprising. Before the GE I thought a Labour win would prompt it. Looks like they could take the next GE.

Your last point is an interesting one as this wasn’t always the case. In fact unions had been quite hostile. I suppose if you look at who is a member now then it will show that their members are in fact representing migration patterns over the last 20 years. They are no longer beer and sandwiches and smoke filled rooms.

There’s no difficulty. If you want Labour to win focus on who will beat you. Harking on about 14 years won’t do it.

Reform is the threat to you.

@DuncinToffee

"Whilst low paid, social care work is not low skilled."

Totally fair point and I really don't like the term "low skilled ".

Yet it was the Tory government that increased low skilled immigration with Brexit and post covid.

Whilst low paid, social care work is not low skilled.

@OneAmberFinch
@EasternStandard

"I do have to smile when people bring up Tory immigration policy as a sort of gotcha... to people who are probably even more furious with the Tories than they are"

I can understand the logic (although not agree with) of why the Tories or the right would be in favour of large scale legal immigration for "low skilled" jobs . It enables employers to hire at lower wages and less favourable working conditions with less cost on training, thereby increasing profits / lower costs thereby keeping inflation lower.

Displaced UK nationals that become unemployed or economically inactive can then be explained away as unemployable / lazy / welfare dependents etc.

Any objections from white UK nationals working class can be shut down as being racist. Any objections from brown or black UK nationals working class can be shut down as both racist AND pulling up the ladder behind them.

What I simply can't understand is why left wing voters and even the Unions are in favour of large scale immigration for low skilled jobs. And then to also express concerns on how restrictions on immigration it is going to hit the profitability of such employers is beyond me.

My point is, which so far you seem to have considerable difficulty with, is whilst Reform may well beat Labour, they will annihilate the Tories.

This once great party may well cease to exist post 2029.

Tories need to address why they are doing so poorly against a v unpopular Govt.

BTW i believe Reform will form the next Govt, it may be 4 years and thats a long time in politics, i just think, as with Trump, the electorate has had it both with the 2 main parties but Reform will not end the Labour party, it will the Tories.

The Bangladeshis really seem to have the most steadfast prejudice against integrating. They so often don't attempt to speak English or mix. If you are the mother of a child at a predominantly Bangladesh-origin school, it is lonely at the school gates as they cluster with their own and won't return your greeting or speak English at all. They absolutely hate dogs and often other pets, too, and encourage the next generation to be terrified of them. The wives often presented with the most terrible bruising at the place I used to work. Because the mothers are often so sheltered and isolated from wider society, they don't seem to have the slightest clue when their kids get into drug running on their electric scooters or acquire knives.

There is definitely self-imposed segregation there and you can see how divided society has become in some places.

HR lawyers can only act within the law, they don't make law, neither do judges.

The Nationality and Borders Act has done nothing, huge numbers coming here.

And what were the intentions of the Vikings and the French when they arrived on English shores in the boats- it's not really a good analogy.
If only the Celts had put the Vikings up in a Premier Inn and given them Cinema Tickets all would have been well.

Maybe they were, but going back to 7,000 years really isn't going to help us much, is it ?

No NF to be seen anymore in Tower Hamlets. Roughly, it’s 50% bangladeshi conservatives, 15% mixed foreigners, 25% cockney, 10% cool kids.

But it’s not multicultural, people from different groups only mix geographically but not socially, you can’t change groups, leave groups, marry in other groups, every group has their own shops and services in their own languages, it’s segregated. And I bet it is getting worse, not better.

I don’t think that is an issue.

I always laugh at these comments. The British were the original boat people!! 🤣

Tower Hamlets! I remember the National Front and extremely sexist Islamic men when I lived there. It was hard to say which was more unpleasant though the NF were actually publicly violent. This was 25 years ago and I think where I lived has since gentrified (no longer resident).

I think that particular form of access looks like it will change quite soon. A small Brexit dividend; I mean we have these abilities now even if we’ve barely used them since 2020

Everyone who thinks immigration is a good thing that can never go wrong and that it will all finish in a happy multicultural rainbow where progress will prevail should visit Tower Hamlets indeed

Actually same thread

Labour didn’t have nuanced approach pre GE either and are only reacting to Reform as they start to panic.

You don't appear to understand the complexity of employing someone from abroad. I did it once, it's a legal and administrative minefield and I would never want to do it again. People do it to fill vacancies they can't fill with UK workers and they have to be able to prove that is the case.

All my posts have been clear. They state Reform is leading and are the ones who will likely beat Labour. The pp seems to be reading something else.