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Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

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OneAmberFinch · 12/05/2025 14:27

Full white paper here is extensive and announces changes to all avenues of migration - basically their approach to resolving the issues of massively increased migration from 2019-2023/4.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

And Starmer's commentary on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce810e3z6dkt

Handful of headline changes: default timeline to get ILR to go to 10 years instead of 5; abolishing new care worker visas; raising skills threshold for Skilled Workers back up to graduate level; increasing minimum grades required for student visas; various bits and pieces around English language requirements among several other policies

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

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DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:09

Feetinthegrass · 13/05/2025 15:05

I think you voted for reform lite in the last election according to the PM’s own speech yesterday.

How did it feel to know we are strangers in our own land? How does it feel to know now Labour haven’t got the magic money tree you promised us all Duncin, rather dishonestly.

I honestly don’t know how you have the sheer gall to come on here tbh.

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I am an immigrant and I thought his rhetoric was awful

I never once said Labour had a magic money tree, Tory voters did though

Have we been on threads together before?

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 15:05

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:43

Collateral damage so we all learn our lesson and vote reform probably.

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Here you go @DuncinToffee

Feetinthegrass · 13/05/2025 15:05

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:01

I never blamed 1dayatatime Confused

You vote Reform if you like, I won't

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I think you voted for reform lite in the last election according to the PM’s own speech yesterday.

How did it feel to know we are strangers in our own land? How does it feel to know now Labour haven’t got the magic money tree you promised us all Duncin, rather dishonestly.

I honestly don’t know how you have the sheer gall to come on here tbh.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:05

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 15:02

What are you even talking about. Have you mixed up posts.

It was @Digdongdoowho posted people would move to Reform.

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You quoted me

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 15:02

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:01

I never blamed 1dayatatime Confused

You vote Reform if you like, I won't

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What are you even talking about. Have you mixed up posts.

It was @Digdongdoowho posted people would move to Reform.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:01

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 14:58

That claim is in the pp so let them know instead.

If you’re unhappy with the care worker situation that’s Starmer not @1dayatatime

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I never blamed 1dayatatime Confused

You vote Reform if you like, I won't

Feetinthegrass · 13/05/2025 14:59

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:55

Those who care about Social Care and the NHS won't vote Reform

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Who can honestly put their hand on their heart and say either are working? They are in a dire situation and in terminal decline. It’s about to get worse. Some patients are now being put into prison because they don’t have adequate social care - how is that a humane way to treat vulnerable patients? It’s in an absolute life endangering mess, and no major party have been courageous enough to deal with it.

The maths tells us it’s unsustainable we don’t need Nige to tell us that!!

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 14:58

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:55

Those who care about Social Care and the NHS won't vote Reform

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That claim is in the pp so let them know instead.

If you’re unhappy with the care worker situation that’s Starmer not @1dayatatime

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:56

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:55

Those who care about Social Care and the NHS won't vote Reform

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I don't know who the fuck we do vote for now though...

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:55

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 14:49

Starmer wants this though, it’s not the pp putting forward the policy. If it comes back to bite Labour that’s due to him.

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Those who care about Social Care and the NHS won't vote Reform

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 14:49

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:43

Collateral damage so we all learn our lesson and vote reform probably.

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Starmer wants this though, it’s not the pp putting forward the policy. If it comes back to bite Labour that’s due to him.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:47

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:43

Collateral damage so we all learn our lesson and vote reform probably.

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Or it will come down to unpaid carers and then they complain about the inactive benefit claimants.

Clavinova · 13/05/2025 14:44

jasflowers · 13/05/2025 10:03

HR lawyers can only act within the law, they don't make law, neither do judges.

The Nationality and Borders Act has done nothing, huge numbers coming here.

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Human rights lawyers often challenge the interpretation of an existing law, judges in turn may agree with the HR lawyers and interpret/apply the law in ways far beyond what was originally intended. Judges' rulings can then set precedents for future court decisions.

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:43

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:36

And what about those who can't take their business elsewhere?

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Collateral damage so we all learn our lesson and vote reform probably.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:36

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:28

@Digdongdoo

"And what is the consequence of unfilled care positions do you think?"

Poorer services. In the case of every unsatisfactory public sector service the consequences are very unhappy customers which is then reflected at the ballot box. This is no different to queues at A&E or high pupil / teacher ratios in schools.

In the case of the private sector then unhappy customers will take their business elsewhere.

And what about those who can't take their business elsewhere?

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 14:35

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:28

@Digdongdoo

"And what is the consequence of unfilled care positions do you think?"

Poorer services. In the case of every unsatisfactory public sector service the consequences are very unhappy customers which is then reflected at the ballot box. This is no different to queues at A&E or high pupil / teacher ratios in schools.

In the case of the private sector then unhappy customers will take their business elsewhere.

Yeh that sounds about right

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:28

@Digdongdoo

"And what is the consequence of unfilled care positions do you think?"

Poorer services. In the case of every unsatisfactory public sector service the consequences are very unhappy customers which is then reflected at the ballot box. This is no different to queues at A&E or high pupil / teacher ratios in schools.

In the case of the private sector then unhappy customers will take their business elsewhere.

EasternStandard · 13/05/2025 14:26

I think a problem with care work in particular is it’s tied to LAs costs. And NI has already hit them and the care sector.

ETA it then impacts the NHS if places cannot be found.

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:20

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:18

@jasflowers

"The only flaw in this plan is no one, Con or Labour have any intention to increase wages."

Then they don't fill the positions then.

Very few other employers have the option of offering below market salaries then squealing that they can't fill the positions so they need to import cheap labour.

And what is the consequence of unfilled care positions do you think?

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:18

@jasflowers

"The only flaw in this plan is no one, Con or Labour have any intention to increase wages."

Then they don't fill the positions then.

Very few other employers have the option of offering below market salaries then squealing that they can't fill the positions so they need to import cheap labour.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:17

Don't you remember the fume threads on here about the junior doctors payrise?

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:15

@DuncinToffee

"How does that apply to the NHS?"

The NHS as a public sector employer and offering a free at point of use service cannot reduce profits or charge more for their services.

Therefore if they need to pay say nurses and doctors more then the additional cost comes from either the taxpayer or cost savings/ reductions in other services.

This is exactly where we already are when if you don't pay existing doctors or nurses enough then they simply move to other sectors.

But the Government doesn't get a special deal where rather than pay the salary required to recruit, motivate and retain they simply get to import cheap labour who are willing to do the work cheaply because they have the prospect of permanent residency for them and their families after 5 (now 10 years).

jasflowers · 13/05/2025 14:06

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 13:53

@DuncinToffee

"But that takes time and we need those roles filled now

Or are you planning to force people to take up those jobs?"

Not once have I suggested forcing people to take up jobs- that not the way a free labour market works.

If you increase salaries then you will have no problem filling those roles. And depending on how much you increase those salaries will influence how quickly you fill those vacancies.

The only flaw in this plan is no one, Con or Labour have any intention to increase wages.

Even if you did, by say £2ph, you'd then be paying more than an HCA and not far off a degree educated Band 5 HCP.

Worriedsickmostofthetime · 13/05/2025 14:03

ironyisnotlost24 · 13/05/2025 13:47

Do you know how much these visas cost?

On average somewhere around £4-5K per person, every 2.5 years, paid up front. That could be £20K for a family of four.

It’s completely unfair to change the goal posts for people who made commitments to uproot their lives to move to the UK for work or family with the understanding that after five years they would be eligible for ILR.

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Yes! A skilled visa is expensive and there is also a NHS supplement to be paid. Skilled visa workers pay for the NHS upfront.

A bigger concern should be how to get the UK population off of benefits and into work! There will be less need for skilled and unskilled immigrants.

Digdongdoo · 13/05/2025 14:02

1dayatatime · 13/05/2025 14:00

@Digdongdoo

"Have you given any thought to how or if salaries can be increased to that level?"

By the same way that every other employer does by either increasing prices and or reducing existing profits.

It's not complicated.

Yes because business is that simple.😂

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