Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

A Home Office study claimed that immigrants paid in £2.5 billion more than they consumed in Government services in the year 1999-2000.

The 2.5 billion is GDP growth, not the sum of the tax & NI they pay in.

I don't recall any Labour supporters on here talking about "opulent green fields of prosperity". That does have a ring of the Brexit promises though.

Most Labour supporters predicted it would be a tough road ahead for Labour. They have made some big mistakes and chasing the Reform vote is the biggest. But they still have four years to go and hopefully to grow and learn.

I don’t think even Reform would dare to say the island of strangers comment nor the consequent comments about abuse - it really was jaw dropping.

I can see why you might be distancing yourself from your earlier position of Labour die hard given the new vista looks distinctly different from the opulent green fields of prosperity you were referring to pre election.

It’s all gone to shit so very quickly.

Or you could know what you're talking about:

https://www.davidsonmorris.com/immigrants-economic-contributions/

"Studies indicate that immigrants contribute significantly to the UK economy, with estimates suggesting that they add around £2.5 billion annually"

I am not moaning. I am just stating that we need to employ our own doctors first.

I know that a lot of Uk doctors get experience outside of the UK because they get exactly that… experience.

I don’t live in the UK and there are a number of British doctors here in our hospitals getting experience that they wouldn’t in a UK hospital. A lot of it is trauma based which is possibly a good reflection on the UK that you don’t necessarily get the same on the job experience in the UK. But I guess my point is that a lot of those non British doctors you are moaning about have a lot of good experience!

A lot of overseas doctors do not have a lot of the exams(college memberships etc) that UK doctors have but that is for another thread. We need to employ our own highly qualified doctors first so that they don't have to move overseas!

Overseas are employed primarily because of experience.

Not true.

Even if we employed UK trained Junior Dr's it wont solve the NHS issues we have, which is one of ever increasing demand.

Overseas are employed primarily because of experience.

Btw i don't agree with that but its been gong on long before Labour got into power.

Yes but junior doctors trained here are being sidelined for overseas doctors.

One has to be a special kind of person to make that judgement just 9 months in... it took 14 years to wreck the UK, Govt moves at a glacial pace.

e.g takes 3 years plus to train a nurse, yet Starmer is expected to solve NHS waiting lists inside of 9 months.

Same with education and their staff shortages or the justice system or road mtce or defence.

Plus may have passed you by but the country has no money, can't borrow and few can afford extra taxes.

Vote Reform or Con or LD or Pepper Pig, no Govt can put the country right in the time scales you and others want.

You and a handful of others were promising the world before the election, if only we would all vote for Labour and all would come good, and you haven’t even got the decency now to hold your hands up and admit this Labour government has failed.

It’s failed absolutely everyone!

Which is quite an achievement in itself. Most parties wish to at least try and keep their core voters on side.

Now we are seeing a mass defection to Reform, and Starmer has thrown the last of his supporters (and indeed minorities) under the proverbial bus - it just beggars belief. Even I am shocked and I knew Starmer would be terrible, was expecting an epic disaster but he has surpassed himself. Maybe he is trying to be sacked or has had a breakdown of some description??

I don’t think even Reform would dare to say the island of strangers comment nor the consequent comments about abuse - it really was jaw dropping.

I can see why you might be distancing yourself from your earlier position of Labour die hard given the new vista looks distinctly different from the opulent green fields of prosperity you were referring to pre election.

It’s all gone to shit so very quickly.

@DuncinToffee

"That are sectors with high vacancy levels. How do you propose they fill those?"

By the same way every employer in a free market fills high vacancy levels - higher wages, better working conditions and better training.

Emydon't get to avoid this by importing cheap labour and then passing the benefit cost of 9 million economically inactive UK nationals on to the taxpayers.

Promised the world, now I have heard it all 😂

Just vote Reform and say that I made you do it.

You and a handful of others were promising the world before the election, if only we would all vote for Labour and all would come good, and you haven’t even got the decency now to hold your hands up and admit this Labour government has failed.

It’s failed absolutely everyone!

Which is quite an achievement in itself. Most parties wish to at least try and keep their core voters on side.

Now we are seeing a mass defection to Reform, and Starmer has thrown the last of his supporters (and indeed minorities) under the proverbial bus - it just beggars belief. Even I am shocked and I knew Starmer would be terrible, was expecting an epic disaster but he has surpassed himself. Maybe he is trying to be sacked or has had a breakdown of some description??

You and a handful of others were promising the world before the election, if only we would all vote for Labour and all would come good, and you haven’t even got the decency now to hold your hands up and admit this Labour government has failed.

It’s failed absolutely everyone!

Which is quite an achievement in itself. Most parties wish to at least try and keep their core voters on side.

Now we are seeing a mass defection to Reform, and Starmer has thrown the last of his supporters (and indeed minorities) under the proverbial bus - it just beggars belief. Even I am shocked and I knew Starmer would be terrible, was expecting an epic disaster but he has surpassed himself. Maybe he is trying to be sacked or has had a breakdown of some description??

I am an immigrant and I thought his rhetoric was awful

I never once said Labour had a magic money tree, Tory voters did though

Have we been on threads together before?

Thanks, I read it as a sarcastic comment

Here you go @DuncinToffee

I am an immigrant and I thought his rhetoric was awful

I never once said Labour had a magic money tree, Tory voters did though

Have we been on threads together before?