Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

TBF he has ruled out lots of things and then changed his mind!

@ironyisnotlost24 we shouldn’t be selling visas for £20k

Do NHS Trusts not generally consider applications and award training places on merit, qualifications and experience?

(NB I am aware there are specific training schemes for overseas doctors -particularly from less developed countries but apart from those).

Gosh you’re so naive. 25 year ago this was a better country to live in.

Around 2004 it felt like most of Poland arrived here and yes we gave them, housing, tax credits and they did low paid jobs (most of them, the professionals would’ve got in the country prior to 2004 anyway). I’m in business I can tell you it drove down prices and labour was suddenly cheap. It was wrong we should’ve just paid more as it was better to do that anyway as prices aren’t being dragged artificially down. Take for example you were a self employed valeter you could say you made nothing claimed the most benefits and sent child tax credit money for kids that don’t live in the Uk back to Poland. Poland did very well from this. They thankfully tightened up these loopholes and since universal credit has came in it’s better and less hobby businesses which has improved things.

Then suddenly we had loads of Asians, Africans and Alabanians. I don’t mind immigrants if they can pay their way and don’t require housing, interpreters, nhs for long term illnesses they came here with etc and yes they should be skilled and educated. Instead we have lots of Uber and Deliveroo drivers in social housing and claiming everything. I suggest the liberals go work a day in a DSS or housing office and tell me they want a million of these people coming a year. I know people personally who’ve left their jobs as they cannot stand working with migrants and their entitlement. They believe Nigel Farage isn’t the answer as we need to start sending their people back. The housing department is like a third world and they believe this country is going that way if we do nothing. I tend to agree these areas of the country where it’s just foreigners aren’t nice places to walk about. How much of this do people want? I sometimes wonder people think “oh I know a foreigner that’s lovely therefore immigration is good”.

I suppose I’m discussing financial services here, not doctors. Basically a lot of work might be managed differently at a lower cost to businesses.

A lot of tax comes from top end FS earners in the UK.

it depends if Labour get reasonable tax contributions. Otherwise I would imagine that you can actually replicate services provided by other, non permanent routes which don’t lead to residency.

They’ve been quite happy to have the doctors from the UK working on the wards for free for years’ though whilst training and I’m sure they are just as experienced

so wrong

jasflowers
the last 14 years of no growth has proven, what the Chancellor can do for growth is very limited, or they'd all do it.
One thing Labour cold do is re join the C and even the SM, now that would boost growth

Why would we rejoin the customs union and single market if we had no growth after 2010 when we were members?

That doesn't really make sense - it must be that more experienced doctors from overseas are applying for junior positions and that experience trumps the applications from newly qualified doctors here.

Starmer ruled that out pre GE.

Err i didn't say she would, as the last 14 years of no growth has proven, what the Chancellor can do for growth is very limited, or they'd all do it.

One thing Labour cold do is re join the C and even the SM, now that would boost growth.

Her investigation is trivial, expenses declared on one list but not on another - admin error, as for her competence? too early to say, one cannot blame the WFA on her, it was a cabinet decision.

NI had to be increased, what other levers did she have to raise money? pls as we can see, it has not cased the collapse in the economy predicted.

I've spoken to GPS about this.

They tell me they would happily do another evening a week surgery but the problem is with the back-up staff. Receptionists, nurses, practice managers, physios, nurse practitioners, cleaners etc just don't want any more hours.

But going from starmers speech yesterday, is it just that? He spoke of divided communities, alongside a lack of integration ( the island of strangers comment).. So, is it just enough to come, work, pay taxes? Economically, yes, but I believe he was also trying to start a commentary on the social aspects of immigration.

I am on a reddit discussing this. Many are considering leaving. All from 'desirable' countries like the US, Australia, NZ. Not illiterate and unskilled people. Waiting 10 yrs for ILR and paying double the astronomical visa fees is more than they are prepared to pay, having already paid over £300, 000 in tax and NI. Starmer's rhetoric did not help. What is a contribution to the UK? Paying tax? Finding a cure for cancer? Learning English. These guys have done all of that.

Talented taxpayers are mobile.

I think they are most welcome to enjoy their lives here indefinitely and positively contribute like (mostly) everyone else. Why would they think anyone had an issue with them?

The issue is that we need to pause the current influx. It’s not sustainable. It’s not a wholesale immigrant problem, more one of sheer numbers and illiterate, unskilled people only making our problems worse.

Yes if only

What do people think of those already in the UK legally, who have paid tax and NI, thousands on visa fees, got mortgages and married, and now don't know if they are coming or going? Applicable to those already in the UK legally? Retrospective effect? No one knows.

Yes I think so

I definitely don’t want the economy to be driven off a cliff again under Labour, but Reeves is utterly useless, totally out of her depth and she is now under investigation. You should be more concerned about that Jas.

On what basis can you possibly imagine she is going to create the growth, economic power house and increased productivity to pay for everything they have promised, much less a new ‘golden’ era?????

Of course some back Starmer no matter what he says. But no not all do.

Otherwise the polls wouldn’t show such a decline in support.

I didn't like what Starmer said one little bit. But lots of people are fine with it, depressingly.

Personally, i don't see whats wrong with what he said, i doubt anyone else will either.
Migrants need to integrate/speak decent English, whats controversial about that???
Have you seen the requirements for a French long stay Visa?

Of course you and others want the economy to crash, you certainly wouldn't be described as "Patriotic" but it wont, its actually doing ok ish, growth up, interest rates down, unemployment stable, NHS lists falling, FTSE back where it was pre Tariffs, wage growth above inflation, which is also just about on target.

Not all sunshine & roses but not the crash you want either.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make - although I posted up thread;

So, before EU expansion to poorer countries in Eastern and Central Europe

TBF to Labour, they have reduced waiting lists, whether thats down to measures introduced by the Tories or Labour i cannot say.

The cancer tests/diagnosis my in-law is getting right now is amazing.