Scared about a poll I read where Reform wins outright in First Past the Post????

Yes indeed... And everything you raise 'racist' is extrapolated. It's why reform are in front. But there's none so blind as those that choose not to see I suppose..

Under FPTP they could ( and will) get a majority with 20% of the votes.
That's why we need to switch to PR now.
@CillaBlackSmith

If the polls were showing a big lead for Labour, would you still be wanting PR?

I totally agree with you SquashedMallow. It’s pointless trying to have a conversation sometimes, it is just a one-way street with some people.

wasnt it the YouGov poll that showed this?

im worried too. Labour need to start getting their achievements out. They need to start calling out the bullshit.
i know this goes against the grown ups being in charge they are trying to present

I agree there’s no point in the pp asking if it’s all laughing emojis in return.

I agree what you say about protectionism but as for what Farage thinks of his supporters I'll take with a pinch of salt because I can barely remember a time when a detractor wasn't saying 'you'd be stupid to vote for x because they look down on you'.

Also, to be an effective leader you don't necessarily have to be a nice person.

Because they changed their name from the Brexit Party to try to disassociate themselves from that disaster and now it looks like they're planning another one.

It was a poll, not a crystal ball. The outcomes of polls can be very easy influenced.

All you can do is use your vote wisely. It's utterly pointless being 'scared' by things that are unlikely and completely out of your control, either way. Find another hobby and reading material if this one causes you much distress.

And there we have it @fixingmylife instead of acknowledging the concerns of many people that I have written. She puts a sarcastic laughing emoji under each of my replies. You can kind of see how people are fed up can't you ? That's the "oh so educated" response.....

Mn isn’t really in line with that. Labour are throwing out some immigration type headlines but it may not do it. It does put focus on the issue though.

@fixingmylife You have to remember that Brexit was voted for by the majority who bothered to vote. People can wring their hands as much as they like about only % voted at all in any election or referendum but unless you go down the road of Australia who fine people for not voting that’s what you have. Starmer won with less actual votes than Corbyn got in the 2017 election. They just targeted seats well and Reform also split the Conservative vote. Labour won because Conservative voters were so angry with their party and punished them not because Labour are amazing. Labour will only win the next election if they are beyond amazing and I can’t see that happening.

In my constituency that swings red and blue as a matter of course if Reform hadn’t stood then the Conservatives would very likely have won easily.

They’d soon change their minds if the economy improved.

In a poll I read recently 81% of the population think immigration is too high. So Mn views on it are VERY out of the ordinary

I think this would be a tough sell. Even with massive polls in favour pre last GE Starmer was worried enough about the red wall voter to rule out the SM and CU.

I think she means what is good about Reform?

Apart from being anti immigration and jumping on whichever anti-woke bandwagon he wants they don't have many policies and none that won't harm the working classes more. If he's looking towards protectionism that is going to damage the economy and make things cost more.
Nigel farage thinks the people that vote for him are beneath him. He is a very rich middle class former banker and cares absolutely nothing about the people that he has voting for him.

I've met him a couple of times in real life and he is pretty unlikable as a person. His very articulate but his mannerisms and body language is quite strange I can't imagine him being a good person to represent the UKe Labroad and at this moment in time we need a good representative who is likeable and diplomatic. He has already alienated most of Europe with his strange behavior in the EU parliament.

It won’t.

It will galvanise the Reform vote even more.

The EU have not exactly coveted themselves in glory during the Brexit negotiations, they are seen as obstructive and unnecessarily hard line toward the UK and this won’t help.

I think Brexit was a mistake, but we cannot walk it back now.

Unless Tories sort themselves and their messaging out then they won't be the 2nd party. LibDems seem to be stuck in 3rd party - despite having many more seats than Reform no one ever discusses their prospects.
So basically, how it looks today, is Labour v Reform.
When I drove past polling stations on Referendum day I had a conviction it would be 'out' - there was such a queue at my local one like I've never seen, normally walk straight in for any election, people were clearly out to get their vote in when they wouldn't normally be fussed. If Reform manage to maintain their attraction to the protest vote, attraction to people not normally engaged in politics even enough to vote due to wanting 'a better deal' then they have a good chance and I think you'll see it in action at polling stations.
Due to their inexperience plus their attractiveness to dubious folk then I think it's also possible they'll collapse or eat each other before 2029 - personally I very much hope so!
We aren't going to get PR any time soon, and whilst scared of Regorm or similar I actually don't think we should be finding roundabout ways to avoid it - good clear messaging but staying within our current democratic rules is the way to go.
Though I do believe in PR, or rather not FPTP, as it happens just we shouldn't push it through to avoid things we don't like - should have it as and when it's agreed and voted on.

Starmer would do better to focus on things he can actually achieve - reduction in NHS waiting lists, improving funding for secondary education, sorting access to GPs etc.

All of which depend on improving the economy and closer relations and improved trade deals with Europe are key to that.

Brexit is still divisive and the split is still roughly half, I don't see how leading with an undo-brexit message would help. You just reopen the wound.

I don't think Reform stand much chance in a GE because much of this month's vote was a protest vote.

Starmer would do better to focus on things he can actually achieve - reduction in NHS waiting lists, improving funding for secondary education, sorting access to GPs etc.

I voted reform at the last election but wouldn’t have done if I’d thought the candidate had a chance of being elected. I live in a safe seat so mine was a protest vote.

I don’t want to see a Reform government but the main parties have to start listening to voters instead of dismissing their concerns.

Once again - you're coming out with tired "tropes". Read what I've written again : did I say anywhere in there that I don't support immigration and we don't need immigration? Once again you've done the old classic of shutting down the conversation by stating I've blamed "trans people" and "immigrants" that's so lazy and manipulative.

Luckily other people will read my post and see exactly my thoughts, which ironically is not what you've deduced.

Look, reform won't get in. It won't happen. It's a "protest" vote for most people: so hopefully the government will take heed of it and act accordingly.

Because they're going to make the country a lot worse than it is and won't fulfill their promises.

Why do you think that someone who admires Putin and Trump is good for the country?

Why are folk so scared of reform. A lot of folk are dissatisfied with the present government and the Tories were even worse.

@fixingmylife would you mind telling me what the sarcastic laugh emoji was on my reply ? Or does my opinion not matter?