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Scared about a poll I read where Reform wins outright in First Past the Post????

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fixingmylife · 10/05/2025 17:50

I guess we are years away from a General Election, but I am scared about the rise in populism and the seemingly popular Reform. I think it would be unthinkable to have Farage as our Prime Minister. I don't want a small state, private NHS, racist far right populist, Trumpist in charge of the country.

I know MN is generally fairly anti Reform, Brexit etc, but where are all these Reform voters. I don't know anyone personally who has admitted they would vote for them? Is it the all the disenfranchised young men?

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EasternStandard · 11/05/2025 10:53

I just googled the polls and a fair few headlines on Reform jumping up. Then Labour headlines on immigration.

Labour will try to counter with similar policies, I’m not sure it’ll work.

TranceNation · 11/05/2025 10:51

You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's democracy at the end of the day. Your opinion is no more greater than the majority at the end of the day. People seem unable to accept a political opinion different to their own these days.

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:51

PlutoCat · 11/05/2025 10:37

Do you really think it is possible to raise the tax threshold to £20k without a negative impact on public services? What about the NHS? Is it safe in Reform's hands? How will it be funded if they are in charge?

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Yes. I think many more people will bother to work, even part-time. More money being spent in the economy will raise more tax elsewhere. If the government tax low earners less the economy will get moving. I understand sole traders are working less days now to avoid the £85k VAT limit. Reform want to raise it to £120k. Laffer curve and all that. The NHS is broken already and needs fixing. My Polish colleague (been here 18 years) says a French or Polish version would be far more efficient. I believe Reform advocate following the French model.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/05/2025 10:48

BIossomtoes · 11/05/2025 10:47

The shift you mentioned.

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Why did it start?

BIossomtoes · 11/05/2025 10:47

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/05/2025 10:01

What started?

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The shift you mentioned.

CillaBlackSmith · 11/05/2025 10:42

Barbadossunset · 11/05/2025 09:24

Under FPTP they could ( and will) get a majority with 20% of the votes.
That's why we need to switch to PR now.
@CillaBlackSmith

If the polls were showing a big lead for Labour, would you still be wanting PR?

Yes

noblegiraffe · 11/05/2025 10:39

PlutoCat · 11/05/2025 10:37

Do you really think it is possible to raise the tax threshold to £20k without a negative impact on public services? What about the NHS? Is it safe in Reform's hands? How will it be funded if they are in charge?

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Definitely time for a bit more scrutiny of Reform's policies, isn't it.

When Labour produce a manifesto people are always asking how it is going to be paid for. Reform definitely need to cost theirs, because currently it's looking like a wish list rather than sensible policy. "People don't like paying taxes therefore we'll reduce taxes" "ok, how are you going to pay for stuff like education and healthcare then?"

PlutoCat · 11/05/2025 10:37

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:23

Simplifying tax. Stopping interest payments on QE overnight payments. Stopping waste. Making work pay.

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Do you really think it is possible to raise the tax threshold to £20k without a negative impact on public services? What about the NHS? Is it safe in Reform's hands? How will it be funded if they are in charge?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/05/2025 10:36

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:21

I have been on here for a very long time, sadly it is and I think the onslaught from the extreme right is probably working as I can't imagine being on MN much longer, it is too depressing. I contrast it to my real life and I only know one person that voted for Brexit so Reform's old ground and they regret it now and would vote to Remain.

What has changed is the sheer volume of posters - nothing more, nothing less than that.

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So there have been no changes in the last 15 years?

No wage depression, no uncontrolled immigration, no NHS failings? No housing cost crisis?

Just gormless electorate, and posters, respectively, shifting to the centre and the right?

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:34

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 11/05/2025 10:31

@SquashedMallow , wasn’t there a thread the other day where @mumsnet said that using the laughing emoji in this way was not permitted?

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Really, if that's the case, I'm definitely exiting MN. What I don't understand is why as a Reform voter you are so sensitive about an emoji, I mean do you not think your plain talking party can cope with a bit of plain talking in response?

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:32

noblegiraffe · 11/05/2025 10:23

What do you think about them adding taxes to your amazon purchases so they can give tax breaks to business owners?

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I think Amazon taxes will help physical shops. I prefer to buy on the high street if possible. I think all parties like helping themselves and their mates.

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:31

SquashedMallow · 11/05/2025 10:27

Read my well thought out post. Then see where you find racism in it ?

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That wasn't the question though, why are you so uncomfortable about people thinking this about Reform and their values? People, of which there are many, think Reform chat a load of shit, that's my democratic right you know!

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 11/05/2025 10:31

SquashedMallow · 11/05/2025 00:03

@fixingmylife would you mind telling me what the sarcastic laugh emoji was on my reply ? Or does my opinion not matter?

@SquashedMallow , wasn’t there a thread the other day where @mumsnet said that using the laughing emoji in this way was not permitted?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 11/05/2025 10:28

SquashedMallow · 11/05/2025 10:24

Don't be so absolutely bloody ignorant. Posts like yours show the highest level of utter brainwashed ignorance. Stop this now!!

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Look, I get that it's annoying to be told that other people find your political views despicable, but many do, and we won't be silenced into pretending that Reform is just another legitimate political party.

SquashedMallow · 11/05/2025 10:27

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:26

Why do you find this so uncomfortable this year are you having doubts about your own beliefs?

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Read my well thought out post. Then see where you find racism in it ?

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:27

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:26

Why do you find this so uncomfortable this year are you having doubts about your own beliefs?

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To hear not 'this year' but could be to hear this year!

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:26

SquashedMallow · 11/05/2025 10:24

Don't be so absolutely bloody ignorant. Posts like yours show the highest level of utter brainwashed ignorance. Stop this now!!

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Why do you find this so uncomfortable this year are you having doubts about your own beliefs?

SquashedMallow · 11/05/2025 10:24

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 11/05/2025 10:10

You're right. Not many racists are willing to open admit to it.

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Don't be so absolutely bloody ignorant. Posts like yours show the highest level of utter brainwashed ignorance. Stop this now!!

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:23

PlutoCat · 11/05/2025 10:15

Which of their policies attract you?

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Simplifying tax. Stopping interest payments on QE overnight payments. Stopping waste. Making work pay.

noblegiraffe · 11/05/2025 10:23

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:22

Simplifying tax. Stopping interest payments on QE overnight payments. Stopping waste. Making work pay.

What do you think about them adding taxes to your amazon purchases so they can give tax breaks to business owners?

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:22

Simplifying tax. Stopping interest payments on QE overnight payments. Stopping waste. Making work pay.

Goldenbear · 11/05/2025 10:21

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/05/2025 09:57

MN is definitely not far right, centre to beginning to lean slightly right of centre, maybe.

Also, why don't you ask yourself why this shift actually happened? You say this happened over the last 15 years to so, so what in your opinion led to this change?

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I have been on here for a very long time, sadly it is and I think the onslaught from the extreme right is probably working as I can't imagine being on MN much longer, it is too depressing. I contrast it to my real life and I only know one person that voted for Brexit so Reform's old ground and they regret it now and would vote to Remain.

What has changed is the sheer volume of posters - nothing more, nothing less than that.

JasmineAllen · 11/05/2025 10:19

BIossomtoes · 11/05/2025 09:59

Boiling frog syndrome. It all started with Cameron’s government.

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Are you seriously trying to link Camerons government to far right politics?

PlutoCat · 11/05/2025 10:15

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:11

Thank you for sharing this. It’s exactly how I feel, as a silent reform voter.

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Which of their policies attract you?

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 11/05/2025 10:11

AnneLovesGilbert · 10/05/2025 18:25

The reason you don’t know anyone who’ll admit to voting Reform is presumably down to what you think and say about them.

You might find this piece today in the Times interesting:

Voters are sick of lectures from the lanyard class

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e20cdcf4-5339-4d11-a746-3a1a9a0f11cb?shareToken=fafff15640a1853f29e71c59a43a5524

Thank you for sharing this. It’s exactly how I feel, as a silent reform voter.