Scared about a poll I read where Reform wins outright in First Past the Post????

Why am I thinking of the fable about the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Sorry but you are not going to vote for Reform but can't think why? Eh? Totally confused about your absolute conviction, feverish conviction that they will in 3+ years time but you can't possibly say why you think they aren't any good on a Politics thread!!

Pretty much everyone in my street voted reform.
I did as there are no SDP candidates in my area ( they are my preferred party) and I did it as a protest to Labour. The Tory candidate looked about 12 and didn’t live locally.

I’m afraid we’ve reached the end of your reading comprehension.

I don’t know what you call ‘feverish’, but if you think this description fits my posting, then you don’t know it either.

Which countries?

How strange to be so feverish in your belief that Reform will win the next GE but not even know what policies you think will win that for them, the policies that you claim you aren't a fan of?

They're the only party willing to even voice a willingness to tackle real problems such as mass unfetted immigration. And NO having issues with mass immigration, unregistered males with totally different cultural norms here, without qualifications and valuable contribution to society is NOT racist.

Nobody bar nobody (except actual racists) have a problem with foreign professionals coming here to work. It'd be utter madness to judge one professional against another based on country of origin.

The real problem that keeps getting diverted from by screeching "racist"(and successfully, by the way no other party dares broaches it with any gusto) is mass uncontrolled immigration by people that's way of life does not meet our cultural expectations, and are not contributing to our society but actively being a burden and a drain on it. People are fed up !

We're cow towing to tiny minorities (such as trans people ) and demanding the other 99% majority stick pronouns on their work emails and badges (it's work! That's crazy !) and that's not enough - men in toilets with young girls to #be kind. It's utter madness! And people are sick of being branded an 'ist' and have a conversation or debate instantly shut down.

Reform are the only party willing to talk "common sense" in the sea of madness that's currently out there. That's enough for many people to cling on to.

It's not even the groups in question that are the problem (e.g trans people - we used to all just rub along and accept this teeny tiny minority and let them leave in peace : Nadia winning big brother in the noughties anyone ?) a genuine transperson known of as a 'woman' who advertised freely she was 'transsexual' and was born male and remained biologically male. Nobody (unless a bigot) would have a problem with that! Nobody bloody did back then! But she wasn't shouting from her podium to make 99% of us change our everyday life to accommodate her. Institutions such as NHS and government are the ones trying so hard to get on the "right on" bandwagon they're the ones dictating on the 0.01%s loud minorities behalf ! And not listening to all the everyday people (that includes immigrants and LGBTQ people ) !

So people in conclusion have had enough and want to stop being silenced for fear of being persecuted and branded an 'ist. People are scared to say how they feel (and most of the time their thoughts are indeed rational )

It makes me aghast when you get those old gems flying around "oh so you don't mind Dr Raj, he's the right type of immigrant is he, you racist ?" Well.... actually yes!!!! Nobody does mind the 'right' type of immigrant and nobody gives a shit what their colour or creed is ! But people don't want 20 yr old males arriving on mass with zero to contribute.

No other party acknowledges normal people's normal concerns. The vote share proves this. And it's not all Wayne and Sharon smoking their roll ups with their man utd shirts on down the boozer with their tattooed arms out. Wake up !

It's not policies that will win it for them, Reform have very few coherent policies.

For example - they intend to get rid of EDI Officers in Lincolnshire. There are no EDI Officers in Lincolnshire. This is not a policy, it's just nonsense.

Countries do exist outside it and do well on rights and freedoms. Scoring top ten or twenty for example.

I've seen people say that we should withdraw from all human rights laws and change our legal system to keep out foreign men.

People seem to think that they won't be affected by the removal of their rights. It's magical thinking.

How strange to be so feverish in your belief that Reform will win the next GE but not even know what policies you think will win that for them, the policies that you claim you aren't a fan of?

Absolutely. Russia and Belarus are the only countries to have left the ECHR. Are we now saying their human rights records are what we want to emulate? People think things like the ECHR and the equality act only apply to the standard hate groups such as foreigners, benefit claimants and trans people. These people don't get that once you start removing human rights for some it is only a matter of time before "they" come for you, to echo the famous poem. Any party which seriously suggests removing human rights protections should be kicked to the kerb as the dangerous lunatics they are.

I've seen people say that we should withdraw from all human rights laws and change our legal system to keep out foreign men.

People seem to think that they won't be affected by the removal of their rights. It's magical thinking.

Because I don’t like them.

It’s a free vote, right? That’s all the reason I need, whether you like it or not.

Absolutely. Russia and Belarus are the only countries to have left the ECHR. Are we now saying their human rights records are what we want to emulate? People think things like the ECHR and the equality act only apply to the standard hate groups such as foreigners, benefit claimants and trans people. These people don't get that once you start removing human rights for some it is only a matter of time before "they" come for you, to echo the famous poem. Any party which seriously suggests removing human rights protections should be kicked to the kerb as the dangerous lunatics they are.

Because they're going to make the country a lot worse than it is and won't fulfill their promises.

Why do you think that someone who admires Putin and Trump is good for the country?

But why aren't you a fan? There must be a reason/reasons?

No, you are doing that. I’m
just pointing it out.

As for why I won’t vote for them? Because I don’t want to.

Reform voters don't think of reform as a far right or even right wing party. They see them as the party who listens to the working poor and who address the issue that are important to them.
Issues like paying too much tax, grooming gangs, removal of the wfa, uncontrolled immigration, local petty crime.
You must know this.
It's not the rich or the pampered who vote reform. They are the Labour voters. Labour being a luxury belief.

You are doing a good job of that, for someone who is not a fan of Reform. Again, why wouldn't you vote for them?

Many Labour voters are disillusioned because the party has gone too far to the right, so unlikely they would vote Reform.

But anyway. Let's see how happy people will be 10 months after the next GE with a Reform government at the helm.

It will make what has happened over the last 10 months look like a cake walk.

It’s scary isn’t it?

Complete denial, blaming the electorate and blind faith in the Party.

Polishing the silver platter for Reform.

Nail on the head. That's also why barely anyone votes for Libdems anymore either - after the coalition where they eagerly voted in favour of things they were against in their manifesto. People have long memories.

The next GE WILL be won by either Reform or Tories (if the Tories finally appoint a popular leader). After all, Starmer didn't "win" the last GE - he only polled the same votes as Corbyn 5 years earlier. Labour won because Sunak was unpopular so Tory voters changed to Libdems and Reform.

Labour have already lost the next GE due to Rachel's incompetence - their entire financial plans are based on economic growth and she screwed that up.

Same here @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

No.

Bur I can see why they will win.

I don’t know if they will @Goldenbear. I am not a Reform voter. However I do know that Labour pretended that they cared about the elderly and disabled and I voted for them
on that basis. They lied to me so I won’t fall for that again. Liars. I expect many feel the same so they are looking at alternative parties as a result.