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Councils now run by Reform - end of the beginning or beginning of the end?

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boys3 · 05/05/2025 21:31

So after 1st May Local Elections Reform have outright control of ten top tier Councils, and are the largest, or close to the largest party, in a number of others.

How will they get on do we think? Suddenly having responsibility and accountability for real stuff.

Just for a bit of context the recent National Audit Office report on Local Government in England.
https://www.nao.org.uk/reports/local-government-financial-sustainability-2025/?nab=2

These are the Councils they won outright. Number of seats they won and total seats on each Council, plus a link to the more detailed results. Some of the Councils have really good info sets with clear summaries and maps showing who won where. Others are a bit more basic. These councils deliver services for some 8 million people

Derbyshire
42/64 Derbyshire Results

Doncaster

37/55 Doncaster Results

County Durham
65/98 Durham Results

Kent

57/81 Kent Results

Lancashire
53/84 Lancashire Resuts

Lincolnshire

44/70 Lincolnshire Results

North Northants
39/68 North Northants Results

2 seats pending as ward election postponed due to death of a candidate

Nottinghamshire
40/66 Nottinghamshire Results
2 seats pending as ward election postponed due to death of a candidate

Staffordshire
49/62 Staffordshire Results

West Northants
42/76 West Northants Results

There are then 4 Councils where they are the largest party but short of a majority. Will Cons, or others, support them in any of these to give control? Or will others, incl Cons, coalesce to prevent that? We'll soon find out. If anyone knows already post away!

Cornwall 28/87. Cons have 7 seats so even combined well short of a majority. Lib Dems won 26 seats. I think more likely that Lib Dems will get support from sufficient Independents (19), Green (3) and Lab (4) to form an adminstration.
Cornwall Results

Leicestershire 25/55, so 3 short. Cons have 15 seats. So could easily support a Reform led adminstration. Or would they join with Lib Dems (11), Lab (2), Green (1) and Indie (1) to create a coalition administration that keeps Reform out?
Leicestershire Results

Warwickshire 23/57 so 5 short, Cons then have 9 seats, so could support to provide a majority. Lib Dems 14, Greens 7, Lab 3, Indie 1 - combined 25 so again short of a majority, Which way will Cons go?
Warwickshire Results

Worcestershire 27/57 so 2 short. Cons then have 12 seats, so could support to provide a majority. Or could join with the Greens (8), Lib Dems (6), Lab (2) and Indie (2) to thwart a Reform led Council. Equally only needs 2 of the 12 Cons to side with Reform to give them a majority and control though
Worcestshire Results

Of the remaining hung councils:

Northumberland Cons won 26/69, then Reform with 23, So the two combined have a comfortable majority, Or would the Cons look for support from 9 from Lab (8) Indie (7) Lib Dem (3) and Green (2) and avoid Reform. Northumberland Results

Buckinghamshire. Cons have 48/97 so 1 short of a majority. Reform only have 3 seats, but Cons only need support of 1. Equaly 1 of the 13 independents may provide that support. Buckinghamshire Results

In the others Devon, Gloucestershire and Hertfordshire support from Lab and Greens would give the Lib Dems control in each.
Hertfordshire Results
Gloucestshire Results
Devon Results

Lastly Wiltshire all down it seems to the Indies (7). Lib Dems have 43/98. Cons have 37 seats and Reform 10. Wiltshire Results

The final 3 Councils contested last Thursday all delivered Lib Dem majorities - Cambridgeshire, Oxfordshire and Shropshire

Election results by party, 1 May 2025 - Derbyshire County Council

https://democracy.derbyshire.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=5&RPID=12080910

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weirdwalking · 06/05/2025 11:32

I’m in Worcestershire and work for the local authority. I’m praying Reform don’t do a deal with another party.

I know Greens won’t touch them and that one of the independents is aligned with the Greens so he won’t go, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories did. The Tory councillor with responsibility for Adult Social Care seems a decent guy so I’m hoping but who knows what the sway of power might do.

I’m watching closely.

Good luck them making people go back to the office- our HQ has RAAC and is being decommissioned and everyone is already dispersed and mostly deskless!

PiggyPigalle · 06/05/2025 10:56

Fascinating map of Nottingham, seeing it laid out like that. Thanks @boys3 .
Line strait down the middle. West Notts old industrial and ex mining, voted Reform. While the East which is more agricultural and prosperous, all Conservative.

That says it all. Areas that have been left with few jobs and little prospect of one, feel forgotten by the main parties. They only have themselves to blame.

Comefromaway · 06/05/2025 10:15

I' m really glad that my SEN children are no longer in school but I feel for those reliant on already stretched services.

GraceUnderPresure · 06/05/2025 10:04

I see it as a chance to see what they're really like at running things. If they cock it up they won't get voted in at the next GE, it's a bit of a trial period...

Wildflowers99 · 06/05/2025 10:03

Well Council spending is basically swamped by social care, both elderly and SEN. This is the key issue facing councils and we can’t pretend it isn’t happening because it’s distasteful to talk about money in relation to vulnerable people.

However Reform rely on the pensioner vote so I think they’ll cut SEN to whatever level they can get away with, and channel the money to social care for the elderly.

Sofasloth · 06/05/2025 09:59

boys3 · 05/05/2025 21:38

Not turning up not really an option when running a Council though @Sofasloth 🙂

As Reform are about to find out.

I am sure they'll find a way.

The local reform candidate near me opposes rewilding and encouraged self-sufficiency. So presumably they will take all the greenbelt land and turn it into allotments.

She also has actively supported public houses to preserve the brewing industry apparently. I think that means she spends all day getting pissed at the bar shouting about immigrants.

MargoLivebetter · 06/05/2025 09:50

How much discretionary spend do local councils actually have? Don't they have a whole load of stuff that they have to do with central Govt money to provide core services etc. Then they have business rates and council tax, which again they are limited in what they can do with those funds too. After that they can raise funds locally in other ways and spend that how they will.

I'm wondering how much damage Reform can actually do, particularly given that there are lots of councils already teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and only providing core services anyway. I have no doubt there will be lots of loud noises about making people work in the office, burning rainbow flags, putting people in the stocks if they are not British enough or whatever other wild crap Reform believe in, but can they actually do much damage?

TY78910 · 06/05/2025 09:47

SpottedDonkey · 05/05/2025 21:47

I live in one of the counties in which Reform are now in charge of the council, having taken over from a long-standing Conservative administration. It will be interesting to see what happens next, because by all accounts very few of their newly elected councillors have any experience of running anything, never mind a large organisation with important statutory responsibilities, legal duties, hundreds of employees and a £multi-million budget. What could possibly go wrong?

Me too. It’ll be interesting as the Cllr who won in our constituency was also elected alongside other Cllrs in the last round but did absolutely nothing of substance in comparison to the others. It’s what happens when people vote based on the party as opposed to the individual and their track record at a local level.

Scandinoirfan · 06/05/2025 09:35

FlourandFlowers · 05/05/2025 23:56

I'm really interested to see how they're going to end 'working from home' culture, considering a lot of Council's have sold buildings on the basis that they don't need as much office space anymore.

Our LA, which isn't a Reform LA, certainly wouldn't have the space for all staff to be in. I'm wondering where the budget for buying more office space will come from?

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Freysimo · 06/05/2025 07:55

Mickeychampionwhatgoodami · 05/05/2025 22:20

I'm hoping that they gain bugger all in Scotlands next election in 2026.

Reform are predicted to have massive gains at next year's Senedd elections here in Wales. Welsh Labour have been in power here for over 25 years and are very unpopular. Many Labour Senedd Members have announced they won't be standing next year and I'm not surprised.

Goldenbear · 06/05/2025 07:49

Due to intelligence not being a pre-requisite for party membership; I wouldn't want to post what I think will happen as they would probably use my comments to inform their strategy!

boys3 · 06/05/2025 07:08

All their declarations of interest will be…….interesting to read. Especially as Councils are not private businesses. I’m believe they also have things like transparency codes, procurement regulations, constitutions which set out how they operate.

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Theyreeatingthedogs · 06/05/2025 00:09

Look what's happening in the USA. Coming to you in Reform led council areas.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/05/2025 00:05

It's going to be an interesting few years, to be sure. Bad luck for any vulnerable people in those areas who depend heavily on council services. We can only hope that, when they fuck up at a local level, people will understand who needs to be held accountable.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/05/2025 00:01

FlourandFlowers · 05/05/2025 23:56

I'm really interested to see how they're going to end 'working from home' culture, considering a lot of Council's have sold buildings on the basis that they don't need as much office space anymore.

Our LA, which isn't a Reform LA, certainly wouldn't have the space for all staff to be in. I'm wondering where the budget for buying more office space will come from?

I hear they're buying tents.

BIossomtoes · 06/05/2025 00:01

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 05/05/2025 23:01

They’ll ask about sacking EDI staff and be told that it’s a 6 month process minimum, and those staff have 25 years of service, that there’s a policy of providing enhanced redundancy pay at eg 1.7 x a week’s gross salary x number of years’ service, plus an additional weighting if they’re over 41, plus pension contributions if they’re over 50. And you have a no compulsory redundancy policy with the unions who will bring everyone out on strike if you lay a finger on it. Anyway there’s only 10 of them, with a total annual budget of £400k, and in the first years you’ll be paying them to leave so won’t see any savings until year three or four. Meanwhile your adult social care budget is somewhere in the region of £600 million pounds, so a poxy £400k is a drop in the ocean.

Absolutely. They’re going to be horrified when reality hits them.

FlourandFlowers · 05/05/2025 23:56

I'm really interested to see how they're going to end 'working from home' culture, considering a lot of Council's have sold buildings on the basis that they don't need as much office space anymore.

Our LA, which isn't a Reform LA, certainly wouldn't have the space for all staff to be in. I'm wondering where the budget for buying more office space will come from?

FusionChefGeoff · 05/05/2025 23:32

SpottedDonkey · 05/05/2025 21:47

I live in one of the counties in which Reform are now in charge of the council, having taken over from a long-standing Conservative administration. It will be interesting to see what happens next, because by all accounts very few of their newly elected councillors have any experience of running anything, never mind a large organisation with important statutory responsibilities, legal duties, hundreds of employees and a £multi-million budget. What could possibly go wrong?

Snap. One of these candidates is on video specifically saying “I’m just a normal bloke”

I don’t WANT normal blokes running the council! I want experienced counsellors / civil servants etc!!

Comefromaway · 05/05/2025 23:18

my council is where Farage chose to hold his rally. I despair, I really do.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 05/05/2025 23:01

They’ll ask about sacking EDI staff and be told that it’s a 6 month process minimum, and those staff have 25 years of service, that there’s a policy of providing enhanced redundancy pay at eg 1.7 x a week’s gross salary x number of years’ service, plus an additional weighting if they’re over 41, plus pension contributions if they’re over 50. And you have a no compulsory redundancy policy with the unions who will bring everyone out on strike if you lay a finger on it. Anyway there’s only 10 of them, with a total annual budget of £400k, and in the first years you’ll be paying them to leave so won’t see any savings until year three or four. Meanwhile your adult social care budget is somewhere in the region of £600 million pounds, so a poxy £400k is a drop in the ocean.

Mysterian · 05/05/2025 22:59

They're going to have to start making decisions and being accountable. Much harder than standing on the sidelines saying what you wouldn't do.

And scrutiny of the councilors will go badly. Every few days one will be revealed as a swivel eyed loon.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 05/05/2025 22:54

boys3 · 05/05/2025 22:17

Whilst I admire and respect your positive outlook @TooExtraImmatureCheddar I think objective reality - particularly in areas such as Childrens Services - may prove different. I think the bins will carry out getting collected without problem. But only because it two-tier areas its the District Councils that do that.

As you say time will tell.

That wasn’t positivity, it was rank cynicism! Admittedly I’m also in Scotland and we don’t have two council tiers, so my examples are more generalised across council services. All I mean is that they won’t have a scooby how local government operates, and I’ve seen a lot of new councillors come in ready to make their mark, only to be ground down by the reality of council life. They’ll be swayed by the first few months of constituents lobbying them - one mother with a disabled child here, one bullied pupil there, one old lady stuck indoors because gritting wasn’t done - and like everyone they’ll jump to be the person who fixes it. They’ll gradually learn that they can’t help everyone, and that local authority wheels turn slowly, even if you’re the Council Leader/the administration. They’ll try to get their own budget passed, and it’ll be scuppered by other parties voting for a coalition budget. They’ll ask for a radical new idea and the answer will be that an implementation plan will be drawn up and brought back to committee in 6 months…

boys3 · 05/05/2025 22:51

Miley23 · 05/05/2025 22:30

I am in Leicestershire and I think local paper has already reported that Reform will lead without a majority. It is a worry. I don't work for the council but for a charity that fulfills contracts for the council so could have significant impact for us. The whole east midlands councils now seem to be under Reform control as well as Lincs.

If you have a link for that you could post at sometime that would be useful.

I do wonder whether in Leicesteshire as per my thread opener the Con cllrs, and it doesn't need to be all of them, will give Reform the necessary support for a majority and to get votes through Council.

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Mickeychampionwhatgoodami · 05/05/2025 22:34

boys3 · 05/05/2025 22:28

They didn't make too much progress in terms of votes in Scotland at the last GE did they? And of course Scotland clearly rejected Brexit in the referendum. I've a feeling you'll all do the sensible thing again.

I genuinely hope so .🤞
I know it was local elections in England but for a lot of people it must be scary having them at the helm of councils.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/05/2025 22:33

They talk about cutting costs (Doge) while claiming that they're going to spend tax payers money grinding the government to a halt over the environment and immigration.

That's going to cost a lot of money and with councils surviving on the bare bones at the moment, I'm wondering how that's going to work.