Should the Tories and Labour agree to implement PR to stop Farage becoming PM in the next election?

But they are winning via media manipulation and the vast sums being poured into it by oligarchs who want even more power, control and money.

PR may very well mean that reform gets representation (which is fine by me as we are a democracy after all!) however under a Mixed Member Proportional System, parties like the Greens and Lib Dems will also do well - highly likely that Labour, Greens and Lib Dems will be able to form a coalition against Reform. Better for Tories as they can maintain their conservative stance rather than try to out right Reform, if in future they need to form a coalition with Reform, they can work together on some issues but Tories will still be in charge!

New Zealand has the best PR system. You get two votes, one for your local MP and one Party Vote.

The local MP wins FPTP style and ensures that there is local representation in parliament for local areas. The party vote means that even if you are in a safe local seat for a particular party, your vote still counts for the country as a whole because you can impact the total % of votes a party gets.

The combined proportion of local MP and Party Vote votes that a party gets, roughly translates to their proportion of seats in parliament.

So a party will get all their winning local MPs in and then additional seats in parliament to make up the total % of the vote they have. These MPs are drawn from a closed list of MPs in the order they are given.

So if you got 15% of the vote and 1 local MP, then you’d get however many additional MPs off your list into parliament too until you have roughly 15% of the seats in parliament.

MUCH better than SVT as lots of people don’t have a second choice in a party!

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter The majority of the voting turnout in enough areas may well be sufficiently racist. You just need more votes than everyone else in enough constituencies. 30% of the vote overall will probably be enough. Starmer has 33.7%. It’s obviously not a system recognising the majority!

Yes, I support PR. I was just pointing out that PR would probably result in more seats for Reform than FPTP.

If we had PR and Reform won more seats then that's democracy in action surely ?

I'd like PR and voted for it in the referendum. Imo it's the fairest way, gives everyone more of a voice (so hopefully they're more invested in politics) and it stops the nonsense that is safe seats.

Goodness me. Of course they shouldn't! If the British people elect Reform by fptp then Reform should be the government. That's how it's always worked, it's been good enough for us for centuries. I'm amazed that the idea of rigging the system is getting discussed (and not just here).

Do you honestly think Starmer has the slightest intention of holding a General Election in the next decade? he’s already prevented several local council elections from taking place this time round ( with the full cooperation of the ‘Opposition’ who also thought they would be ousted).

Just look at what’s going on in Germany, Romania, France to get a hint about our future ‘democracy’ 🤡

PR has merits, but also demerits. Depending on which system is used it can cut a local link to an MP. And it also tends to produce more unstable government and to hand power to extremist parties.

So far as extremists go, operating a minimum vote threshold destroys any argument that PR is a fairer system.

Should say through school not helped

Labour priorities are weird like breakfast clubs is that open to all the children in a school Couldn't they just give toast to the ones who are genuinely hungry In this area cycle paths are more important than fixing all the potholes and very uneven pavements I think anarchy much more likely with labour continuing in power they just don't seem to sort out the important things Maybe there should be showers in schools where the children sent to school stinking could be given the chance to clean up These children go through school uniform helped

The majority of the population are not racist arseholes. Play to them, not move to the far right.

STV is a better form of PR than FPTP. It gives a chance for second preferences which FPTP doesn’t. Party list does the PR job well but we like constituency MPs. We could have a mix of FPTP and party list and have bigger constituencies. STV is probably the best system.

We would need to accept coalitions though and that’s been seen as unfavourable here. Horse trading, not sticking to your principles, getting into bed with your enemies and all sorts of unacceptable connotations have been expressed. We don’t like it. People do not give up simplicity easily.

Polling gives Labour a narrow lead over Reform. There is not much in it. Very worrying.

Wil be interesting to see what happens in Wales in 2026. I’d like to think they have more sense than to vote in Reform but who knows.

Well quite, but to fair to the OP it was touted as PR when the referendum was publicised. I’m a member of the Electoral Reform Society and I live in Wales where our next election in 2026 will be PR.

I think if Farage got in power there will be anarchy.

AV isn’t PR at all. The number of MPs each party has will still bear no relation to the % of votes.

It's a no brainer. Labour will get locked out of politics for over a decade if they don't introduce electoral reform. They are probably so out of touch with the electorate that they think they have a chance at winning a second term.

PR makes sense, the Tories can rebalance, and Labour can happily split. And the plebs will at least feel as if they have some representation.

We sort of did. It was AV which isn’t fully PR.

PR would potentialy deliver Reform more seats not fewer!

I don't think Reform will win the next GE whatever the voting system.

PR is wonderful (coming from somewhere that has PR in one of its purest forms). People are invested in politics and really feel they can make a difference, for better or for worse (a far right party has performed really well in the last two general elections) but there is little voter apathy, and people make it their business to keep up in a rapidly changing dynamic political landscape. The British public deserves proper PR!

Tories and labour Jeremy vineyard above nothing with labour as part of it would make me vote for them I might vote for reform or Tories Reform talking about getting rid of diversity jobs working from home now that sounds like the kind of decision making we need Do these diversity employees really contribute much

Personally, no, I still wouldn’t be happy. I think we’re replacing shit with shit, reform will become just like it two big brothers….useless and again, not for the average British citizen.