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Gman1 · 02/05/2025 17:13

Is the growing intrest in the reform party a sign that racism is growing in this country and has now become acceptable.

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OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:51

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 04/05/2025 08:40

It’s used as a form of trying to silence by the likes of the op.

Because if you spend time talking to people who wish to control migration, racism is often the cause of it. Not always, but often.
Look at facebook posts, look at the Daily Mail comments, look at Reform candidates' social media posts, look at the colleague who said that they thought Sadiq Khan supported 9/11 (overheard in my primary school staffroom for crying out loud) listen to the comments of those British people trying to to burn other humans alive in migration centres last summer. Not everyone who has concerns about migration is racist- but a lot of them, whether they admit it to themselves or not, are

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:50

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:42

Troll becuase you've called me thick and bigotted, and am apparently am also lacking in critcal thinking skills as well.
How can you possibly blame Labour when they've been in power nine months, after the massive black hole in the economy they've inherited? That makes no sense.
It's Tory councils who are forcing parents to appeal EHCP decisions, not the Labour government. It's the Reform Leader who says that we are 'massively overdiagnosing those with mental illness problems.'
As a previous metals commodities trader, what qualifications does Farage have to diagnose en masse people and children's SEND status?

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And you called me a troll so we are even? If you seriously think I am then report me.

Ah the black hole that they magically turned into a super massive black hole within a couple of months?
Have you even read the Schools Bill and the limits it will impose on parental rights?

Instead of blaming Tories, take a long hard look at the policies Labour are bringing in. Your own union ie NEU has identified the budget cuts for 25/26. SEND is in crisis yet Labour tried to supress the NAO report which stated this.
Thankfully looks like Phillipson is gone but her policies remain and I would suggest you take a long hard look at the details of them all.
This version of Labour is not the Blair Labour of Education, Education, Education

Julen7 · 04/05/2025 08:50

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:42

Starmer, Reeves and majority of cabinet couldn't be honest if their lives depended on it. Which is the whole reason for the results this week!
They lied about everything and anything in order to get elected, then "forgot" all those promises once in power, showed that they are economically illiterate and have managed to piss off everyone apart from die hard Laboyr supporters.
Starmer is an authoritarian, refuses to accept accountability, displays exceeding arrogance and refuses to listen. As do majority of cabinet.
Many of support for Reform came from voters telling Labour that they fundamentally disagree with the direction of travel and Starmer's response "we will go faster"! People don't want him to go faster, they want him to bloody stop!

Yes what the hell does he mean “go faster?” With what? Destroying the economy perhaps.

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:47

GlobeTrotter2000 · 04/05/2025 08:39

@countingthestar

Since the referendum held 23 June 2016, many posters have attempted to police and block post and posters who do not agree with them.

It’s why I voted reform on 1 May 2025.

I wonder whether you'll actually get what you want? What are you expecting from them is my question to you?

Do you value your local council, the NHS, British farming, paid holidays, fair rights at work, freedom of speech etc. What you might not realise is there's more in the Reform manifesto than just stopping boats. Reform like Trump actually in reality don't like real freedom of speech.... don't like the free press. What you are seeing is all staged interviews.

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:42

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:30

Troll because I disagree with you?
Why is it lefties like you simply can't discuss without throwing out insults? You say you work in a school yet have little critical thinking ability, that's worrying.

And what exactly are Labour doing for SEND kids? Nothing is the answer. Overall school budgets are being cut and they are forcing more SEND kids into mainstream settings + making the process of getting an EHCP harder with the Schools Bill limiting parental ability to appeal decisions!

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Troll becuase you've called me thick and bigotted, and am apparently am also lacking in critcal thinking skills as well.
How can you possibly blame Labour when they've been in power nine months, after the massive black hole in the economy they've inherited? That makes no sense.
It's Tory councils who are forcing parents to appeal EHCP decisions, not the Labour government. It's the Reform Leader who says that we are 'massively overdiagnosing those with mental illness problems.'
As a previous metals commodities trader, what qualifications does Farage have to diagnose en masse people and children's SEND status?

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:42

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:36

Yes, I do, I think he's a decent individual. Certainly compared to Truss and that liar, Johnson. I also thought Theresa May was not a bad person, especially after she apologised for her language on asylum seekers.
I think voters are being fickle and somewhat hypocritical. On the one hand, they want politicans to be honest and not push problems into the long grass. Yet on the other hand, Starmer and Reeves are being honest about the problems they face, and trying to rectify the economy. And they are being punished for it. People want the economy sorted- spending needs to be reduced- yet people seem to think they shouldn't be affected by this, it should be other people who pay. When the Daily Mail and Reform making false claims about what migrants get,and how we are being invaded by people who want to destroy our culture and decamp en masse into five star hotels, no wonder some people actually belive these falshoods and think if we just closed the door, everything would be magically solved.

Starmer, Reeves and majority of cabinet couldn't be honest if their lives depended on it. Which is the whole reason for the results this week!
They lied about everything and anything in order to get elected, then "forgot" all those promises once in power, showed that they are economically illiterate and have managed to piss off everyone apart from die hard Laboyr supporters.
Starmer is an authoritarian, refuses to accept accountability, displays exceeding arrogance and refuses to listen. As do majority of cabinet.
Many of support for Reform came from voters telling Labour that they fundamentally disagree with the direction of travel and Starmer's response "we will go faster"! People don't want him to go faster, they want him to bloody stop!

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 04/05/2025 08:40

Insertfootnote · 03/05/2025 10:57

Could someone please explain to me how wanting to control immigration is 'racist'.

It’s used as a form of trying to silence by the likes of the op.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 04/05/2025 08:39

@countingthestar

Since the referendum held 23 June 2016, many posters have attempted to police and block post and posters who do not agree with them.

It’s why I voted reform on 1 May 2025.

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:37

I don't share peoples optimism, personally think it's naive to think that somehow time will convince people that Labour will row this back.

I'll vote Labour because I can see that they are doing some good work and things can't change over night. At the same time there are signals that demonstrate to me that we have failed to show the strength to go our own way. What I mean is will are still Americas lap dog, although I accept there's probably good reason for it. For me it's like an abusive relationship where we get little recognition for our support.

Can Labour pull this back, it's going to be very difficult because of the polarised right, many of which are traditionally labour voters. If anything the win has given them more impetus and my feelings are that it will get worse for Labour and the conservatives.

Unfortunately people see lies as truth thanks to social media and how do you reach people with there fingers in there ears.

We all know that illegal immigration is a problem, the real question is how you deal with it. Certainly putting people into hotels and rentals is so obviously wrong but tents as one reform major has suggested won't work either. My opinion is that the processing should happen within 7 days and then sent back to the country of birthplace by diplomatic flights...the problem is the numbers. There's got to be a solution and id suggest to Starmer that he invites all of the opposition to number 10 to work out a way that everyone is happy with. .....only then can you put this problem to bed

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:36

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 08:14

You clearly rate Starmer, the issue for him is that he and Reeves have targeted so many groups they’ve lost a lot of support.

Yes, I do, I think he's a decent individual. Certainly compared to Truss and that liar, Johnson. I also thought Theresa May was not a bad person, especially after she apologised for her language on asylum seekers.
I think voters are being fickle and somewhat hypocritical. On the one hand, they want politicans to be honest and not push problems into the long grass. Yet on the other hand, Starmer and Reeves are being honest about the problems they face, and trying to rectify the economy. And they are being punished for it. People want the economy sorted- spending needs to be reduced- yet people seem to think they shouldn't be affected by this, it should be other people who pay. When the Daily Mail and Reform making false claims about what migrants get,and how we are being invaded by people who want to destroy our culture and decamp en masse into five star hotels, no wonder some people actually belive these falshoods and think if we just closed the door, everything would be magically solved.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 04/05/2025 08:35

@OneFunBrickNewt

Denmark is in the ECHR. That so, how can they deport people to dangerous countries when at the same time the UK can’t?

countingthestar · 04/05/2025 08:32

People behave as though if only Reform could be made to vanish, the country would in some indefinable way become a nicer place. I disagree.

The more impassioned and zealous the attempts to silence Reform, Trump and his like, the more these attempts contribute to a sense of grievance by those who feel the social censure they receive for their opinions actually makes them the oppressed. And this all fuels exactly the kinds of populist movements that are currently popping up all over the western world and have been for some time.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:30

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:27

It's a shame the internet is full of trolls like yourself throwing insults around- I'm not 'thick' or 'bigoted' just because I disagree with you. It's why I took a break from Mumsnet.
As you well know, the far right and Reform often talk about this country being 'full' and link that to migration,and the need to build extra housing. My point about the playing fields is that if they're not being used, why not build on them? Rather that than in the Green Belt.
The primary school where I work can no longer use the playing fields we have, due to deep and damaging cuts under the previous government. When I started working there, from spring onwards the children would picnic on the playing fields and spend playtime there or in the playground, as they wanted. Now the playing fields are closed, as we do not have the TAs to supervise this anymore. We can't afford them. In fact, many classes in KS2 don't have a TA- only those with named children do based on an EHCP. Reform have said they don't believe in SEND so presumably that will mean no funding for EHCPs- I'm so glad we're a few miles down the road into Kent. I feel sorry for any SEND child in a Kent school who has their EHCP funding withdrawn.

Troll because I disagree with you?
Why is it lefties like you simply can't discuss without throwing out insults? You say you work in a school yet have little critical thinking ability, that's worrying.

And what exactly are Labour doing for SEND kids? Nothing is the answer. Overall school budgets are being cut and they are forcing more SEND kids into mainstream settings + making the process of getting an EHCP harder with the Schools Bill limiting parental ability to appeal decisions!

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:27

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:14

But we aren't talking about the DM! You have taken my link to an article about school playing fields and conflated it with immigration and now the Daily Mail.... Yet Reform voters are the 'thick' ones? OK
And FYI I don't vote Reform but you are obviously as bigoted as you claim they are.

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It's a shame the internet is full of trolls like yourself throwing insults around- I'm not 'thick' or 'bigoted' just because I disagree with you. It's why I took a break from Mumsnet.
As you well know, the far right and Reform often talk about this country being 'full' and link that to migration,and the need to build extra housing. My point about the playing fields is that if they're not being used, why not build on them? Rather that than in the Green Belt.
The primary school where I work can no longer use the playing fields we have, due to deep and damaging cuts under the previous government. When I started working there, from spring onwards the children would picnic on the playing fields and spend playtime there or in the playground, as they wanted. Now the playing fields are closed, as we do not have the TAs to supervise this anymore. We can't afford them. In fact, many classes in KS2 don't have a TA- only those with named children do based on an EHCP. Reform have said they don't believe in SEND so presumably that will mean no funding for EHCPs- I'm so glad we're a few miles down the road into Kent. I feel sorry for any SEND child in a Kent school who has their EHCP funding withdrawn.

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:18

GlobeTrotter2000 · 04/05/2025 08:03

Denmark claims to have reduced Asylum claims by 90% by banning burkhas and refusing benefits to migrants who don’t learn their language.

https://mol.im/a/14675845

I read this and other articles and studies on this.
They've achieved this by strip searching migrants for valuables the moment they arrive in Denmark, including taking family heirlooms and jwelery off people if they contain precious metals. They say that people must learn Danish- only possible in Denmark- but not allowing them the means or chance to do so. They also deport people to dangerouns countries where even the Daily Mail admits many will face harm upon return (Syria isn't suddenly 100% safe.) They also split families up and- not mentioned in the article- have forced fully integrated migrant children out of school just before important exams equivalent to GCSEs and A'Levels to ready them for deportation to unsafe countries they barely remember.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:14

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:06

If you read and believe the Daily Mail, migration is to blame for everything!

But we aren't talking about the DM! You have taken my link to an article about school playing fields and conflated it with immigration and now the Daily Mail.... Yet Reform voters are the 'thick' ones? OK
And FYI I don't vote Reform but you are obviously as bigoted as you claim they are.

Buzyizzy217 · 04/05/2025 08:14

I hope so, but very few Labour mps have objected to it. 😞

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 08:14

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 07:22

Lots of fickle voters in Britain. Labour inherited a massive mess. Not only did the Tories fuck up the economy, public services and trust in politicians, but they refused to acknowledge this. Labour, led by a decent man, have been left a massive job to rectify this. The only way they can do this is by taking tough decisions. The Winter Fuel Allowance was a benefit paid for based on age- so it meant that Charles in Buckingham Palace got it as he's a pensioner, and my parents got it. They've just come back from staying in one of South East Asia's nicest hotels, and are planning their next trip to India. In short, they didn't need it, and often donated it to either charity, or my family.
Unfortunately, the country couldn't afford to keep paying this non-means tested benefit, which was a Tory bribe to pensioners to vote for them. So it was cut to just the neediest people. Likewise changes to PIP payments- not what most Labour politiicans went into politics to do, but there's no alternative as the country was fucked by Liz Truss and colleagues.
This has nothing to do at all with migration. Britain takes less migrants per capita than many other countries in Europe and worldwide. The easiest way to stop te boats tomorrow is to eastablish safe and legal migration routes from safe and legal migration centres in Europe. Most of the people arriving here by boat are granted asylum- which is pretty tricky given you have to convine a decision maker you are genuine- so are in no way illegal. And it's not illegal to claim asylum in the first place. Why the government isn't standing up to the lies and dog whistle nonsense spouted relentessley by the Daily Mail, I just don't know.
It's pleasing to see that at least in Canada and Australia common sense has prevailed with their elections.
I think a lot of people are going to find out that far right, dog whistle rhetoric doesn't get the bins taken out, doesn't help if your child has SEND, and their will be a lot of voter regret. In the meantime, the boring decency and unfashionable work ethic of Starmer will slowly but surely demonstrate that he is a safe pair of hands for another term in goverment.

You clearly rate Starmer, the issue for him is that he and Reeves have targeted so many groups they’ve lost a lot of support.

CatSnackTagine · 04/05/2025 08:14

CP1978 · 03/05/2025 07:26

Exactly!! And the fact they are concreting over every single bit of green space possible...because the Country is overpopulated! Do you want to live in a Country with not one single bit of Countryside or nature left? Because I certainly don't, it's what made this Country beautiful but we are rapidly losing it to cram in as many identical housing estates as possible.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the housing estates too, but we are an incredibly long way of losing "every bit of green space possible" and "not one sk Glen bit of nature or countryside left"

Mind your use of the word "fact"

https://fullfact.org/economy/has-92-country-not-been-built/

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:11

Buzyizzy217 · 04/05/2025 07:58

The voice of reason in most respects.
unfortunately, the PIP payments being withdrawn for 87% of us is nothing but punishment. Millions of disabled are going to be left unable to pay for care, yet not able to wash and dress and feed themselves. It’s humiliating and a disgrace. We go through (in my case) 3 hours interrogation, which leaves many of us almost suicidal. If every disabled person and their families votes elsewhere in 2029, Starmer and co are toast.
Bring the scoring to 3 and it would be about right, 4 is political suicide.

Hopefully there will be a modification of this policy- no-one wants to read of people forced into dire situations, especially under a Labout government.
I think the point I was trying to make is that the vitriol aimed at Starmer by the right is misplaced- he is trying to undo the mess caused by the Tories and unforuntately the only way to do that, is by making some tough and unpopular decisions.

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:06

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 07:44

Who has blamed migration for school playing fields?

If you read and believe the Daily Mail, migration is to blame for everything!

Twinstudy · 04/05/2025 08:01

Yes. Being concerned about uncontrolled immigration isn't inherently racist in itself.

Voting for a bunch of racists however undoubtedly is.

Buzyizzy217 · 04/05/2025 07:58

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 07:22

Lots of fickle voters in Britain. Labour inherited a massive mess. Not only did the Tories fuck up the economy, public services and trust in politicians, but they refused to acknowledge this. Labour, led by a decent man, have been left a massive job to rectify this. The only way they can do this is by taking tough decisions. The Winter Fuel Allowance was a benefit paid for based on age- so it meant that Charles in Buckingham Palace got it as he's a pensioner, and my parents got it. They've just come back from staying in one of South East Asia's nicest hotels, and are planning their next trip to India. In short, they didn't need it, and often donated it to either charity, or my family.
Unfortunately, the country couldn't afford to keep paying this non-means tested benefit, which was a Tory bribe to pensioners to vote for them. So it was cut to just the neediest people. Likewise changes to PIP payments- not what most Labour politiicans went into politics to do, but there's no alternative as the country was fucked by Liz Truss and colleagues.
This has nothing to do at all with migration. Britain takes less migrants per capita than many other countries in Europe and worldwide. The easiest way to stop te boats tomorrow is to eastablish safe and legal migration routes from safe and legal migration centres in Europe. Most of the people arriving here by boat are granted asylum- which is pretty tricky given you have to convine a decision maker you are genuine- so are in no way illegal. And it's not illegal to claim asylum in the first place. Why the government isn't standing up to the lies and dog whistle nonsense spouted relentessley by the Daily Mail, I just don't know.
It's pleasing to see that at least in Canada and Australia common sense has prevailed with their elections.
I think a lot of people are going to find out that far right, dog whistle rhetoric doesn't get the bins taken out, doesn't help if your child has SEND, and their will be a lot of voter regret. In the meantime, the boring decency and unfashionable work ethic of Starmer will slowly but surely demonstrate that he is a safe pair of hands for another term in goverment.

The voice of reason in most respects.
unfortunately, the PIP payments being withdrawn for 87% of us is nothing but punishment. Millions of disabled are going to be left unable to pay for care, yet not able to wash and dress and feed themselves. It’s humiliating and a disgrace. We go through (in my case) 3 hours interrogation, which leaves many of us almost suicidal. If every disabled person and their families votes elsewhere in 2029, Starmer and co are toast.
Bring the scoring to 3 and it would be about right, 4 is political suicide.

Buzyizzy217 · 04/05/2025 07:51

They won’t get in. Watch these councils that they’re now in control of completely fail. Guaranteed. UKIP bankrupted Thanet when they won it. Same corrupt bunch, different name.