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Gman1 · 02/05/2025 17:13

Is the growing intrest in the reform party a sign that racism is growing in this country and has now become acceptable.

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derxa · 04/05/2025 09:37

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:02

They aren't London elite, your local council which you've just punished is made up from people in your community. Many aren't even paid and they do lots of good work, trying to work out how to fund old age care, education, school meals, social services, roads

Farage has said publicly that he will allow imports of mass produced factory farmed food into.the UK ...that's tearing up our food standards.... British Farmers will suffer which is why many won't support Reform....yes you'll get cheap chicken but your screwing over good farming

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Don’t use farmers in your argument. Left wingers generally hate and despise us.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:29

derxa · 04/05/2025 09:28

British farming?

I know, the irony!!

derxa · 04/05/2025 09:28

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:47

I wonder whether you'll actually get what you want? What are you expecting from them is my question to you?

Do you value your local council, the NHS, British farming, paid holidays, fair rights at work, freedom of speech etc. What you might not realise is there's more in the Reform manifesto than just stopping boats. Reform like Trump actually in reality don't like real freedom of speech.... don't like the free press. What you are seeing is all staged interviews.

British farming?

MarginallyOk · 04/05/2025 09:21

I love the diversity that controlled legal immigration brings to the UK. If people want to come for a better life and contribute to the system, amazing. My life is made better by some of my brilliant neighbours and co workers who have settled in the UK from other countries.

But I worry about uncontrolled illegal immigration and the huge costs to taxpayers. I don’t think that’s racist.

p.s I don’t like Farage and co but I also don’t think a vote for them equals ‘you’re a racist’. Continuing to label Reform voters as ‘thick racists’ is likely what will propel them to national power. In the US, the more the Democrats shouted ‘Nazi’, the more the MAGA movement grew. It’s far better to have civilised conversation with people who see the world differently than to consistently label them as idiots.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 09:18

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:15

Reform took Conservative vote. People are rightly still pisssd with Tories but for Labour to lose Durham, as an example, is seismic.
However in good old Labour fashion, you can't admit scale of defeat, instead you point at Tories. Same with the leadership and that's why people hate them + Labour. No accountability, no acknowledgement just "we will go further, faster" which is the opposite of what people want!
Labour took a growing economy and crashed it!
At this point you've 90% lost next election to Reform. But yeh keep on denying mistakes and plough on with policies which don't work, that will just guarantee 100% failure.
To be fair Lucy Powell didn't help you yesterday 🤣

If Labour do the whole it’s the electorate at fault for being impatient then they’ll keep going as they are. They seem convinced people like them when evidence is to the contrary.

To add listening to one of them use the same lines every time is likely one of the things turning people off.

MarginallyOk · 04/05/2025 09:18

BIWI · 02/05/2025 17:17

The chairman of Reform is of Sri Lankan heritage.

So what? Doesn’t stop them being racist.

… and the country isn’t full.

Perhaps you should let the government know so they can pop up a migrant hotel where you live?

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:15

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:10

It's not just Labour is it though....the conservatives didn't do very well either.

People voted in a Labour government it's pledge was to spend. The FTSE 100 is actually doing pretty well comparably. There are signs of recovering economy....what we need to do is join the common market.

Reform took Conservative vote. People are rightly still pisssd with Tories but for Labour to lose Durham, as an example, is seismic.
However in good old Labour fashion, you can't admit scale of defeat, instead you point at Tories. Same with the leadership and that's why people hate them + Labour. No accountability, no acknowledgement just "we will go further, faster" which is the opposite of what people want!
Labour took a growing economy and crashed it!
At this point you've 90% lost next election to Reform. But yeh keep on denying mistakes and plough on with policies which don't work, that will just guarantee 100% failure.
To be fair Lucy Powell didn't help you yesterday 🤣

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 09:15

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:10

It's not just Labour is it though....the conservatives didn't do very well either.

People voted in a Labour government it's pledge was to spend. The FTSE 100 is actually doing pretty well comparably. There are signs of recovering economy....what we need to do is join the common market.

Starmer ruled that out pre GE

Zonder · 04/05/2025 09:14

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:10

It's not just Labour is it though....the conservatives didn't do very well either.

People voted in a Labour government it's pledge was to spend. The FTSE 100 is actually doing pretty well comparably. There are signs of recovering economy....what we need to do is join the common market.

Well said.

Overhaul54 · 04/05/2025 09:11

It's the Reform Leader who says that we are 'massively overdiagnosing those with mental illness problems.'
As a previous metals commodities trader, what qualifications does Farage have to diagnose en masse people and children's SEND status?

It’s not that people don’t have mental illness problems. It’s that once diagnosed, it’s seen as a lifetime burden and costs the county a fortune.
The point of having drugs and appropriate treatment is to enable people to work and live useful lives which will pay back the cost of the support.

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:10

It's not just Labour is it though....the conservatives didn't do very well either.

People voted in a Labour government it's pledge was to spend. The FTSE 100 is actually doing pretty well comparably. There are signs of recovering economy....what we need to do is join the common market.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:08

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 09:03

Not many farmers voted Labour in the first place.

Not true actually. Not a core demographic admittedly but certainly not a done deal. Until now of course! It isn't just farmers though, it's people in rural areas who see that whenever a farm is sold, a new housing estate pops up and more pressure on local resources.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 09:06

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 09:01

It's early days. He's got four more years. If he stays the course and improves the economy, public services and living standards, his polling will rise.
Some people thought Thatcher was in trouble in the early 80s.....four years is a very long time in politics.

It sure is. And look where we are after 9 months. The FPTP system is struggling to deal with a new set of outcomes.

Such a fast decline for Labour. We could be anywhere in three to four years. Including a Reform that doesn’t need a coalition.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:06

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:02

They aren't London elite, your local council which you've just punished is made up from people in your community. Many aren't even paid and they do lots of good work, trying to work out how to fund old age care, education, school meals, social services, roads

Farage has said publicly that he will allow imports of mass produced factory farmed food into.the UK ...that's tearing up our food standards.... British Farmers will suffer which is why many won't support Reform....yes you'll get cheap chicken but your screwing over good farming

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I didn't punish them, I didn't vote Reform!
What's to say the Reform councillors won't be hard working etc?
The local results were a protest against Westminster and what Labour are doing. Surely that's not hard to understand?
Are you even aware of how much Labour is hated across the country? I suspect not in your little bubble. They are pretty much loathed at present and in the absence of a general election etc people took their dissatisfaction out in the council elections.
Labour need to wake the fuck up or they will lose the general election.

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 09:03

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:02

They aren't London elite, your local council which you've just punished is made up from people in your community. Many aren't even paid and they do lots of good work, trying to work out how to fund old age care, education, school meals, social services, roads

Farage has said publicly that he will allow imports of mass produced factory farmed food into.the UK ...that's tearing up our food standards.... British Farmers will suffer which is why many won't support Reform....yes you'll get cheap chicken but your screwing over good farming

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Not many farmers voted Labour in the first place.

dubsie · 04/05/2025 09:02

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:56

Well Labour have ensured that no farmers will ever vote for them again! They are London elite and don't give a rats ass for farmers or countryside!

They aren't London elite, your local council which you've just punished is made up from people in your community. Many aren't even paid and they do lots of good work, trying to work out how to fund old age care, education, school meals, social services, roads

Farage has said publicly that he will allow imports of mass produced factory farmed food into.the UK ...that's tearing up our food standards.... British Farmers will suffer which is why many won't support Reform....yes you'll get cheap chicken but your screwing over good farming

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:02

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:59

Please explain authoritarian because I've travelled the world and this government doesn't come close. I visited Romania under communist rule and I can tell you that you wouldn't be saying bad things about that regime....you would have vanished.

They have been honest and clear. The country has a huge gaping hole in its finances and has ambitions to fix crumbling schools, fund the NHS, fill billions of pot holes, deal with an aging population and dementia epidemic....all this costs money....not to mention wars and tarriffs. They were elected to fix the country not cut even more services.

I'm sorry you don't like that but that's how democracy works. If Reform are elected I'll have to deal with all the cuts that come with it.

"fix crumbling schools, fund the NHS, fill billions of pot holes, deal with an aging population and dementia epidemic". Those are all soundbites, not policy!

They can't do any of that without a sound economy yet they brought in policies which stymied growth and resulted in redundancies + business closing. Like I said, economically illiterate

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 09:01

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 08:57

I know you do. He’s always had people on here who are pro Starmer.

His polling is dire though so your perspective is not shared by the majority. In a focus group the top word was Liar so even there mn is against the general perception.

It's early days. He's got four more years. If he stays the course and improves the economy, public services and living standards, his polling will rise.
Some people thought Thatcher was in trouble in the early 80s.....four years is a very long time in politics.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 09:00

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:59

Please explain authoritarian because I've travelled the world and this government doesn't come close. I visited Romania under communist rule and I can tell you that you wouldn't be saying bad things about that regime....you would have vanished.

They have been honest and clear. The country has a huge gaping hole in its finances and has ambitions to fix crumbling schools, fund the NHS, fill billions of pot holes, deal with an aging population and dementia epidemic....all this costs money....not to mention wars and tarriffs. They were elected to fix the country not cut even more services.

I'm sorry you don't like that but that's how democracy works. If Reform are elected I'll have to deal with all the cuts that come with it.

Removing whip from MPs who threatened to vote against him is 1 example. He is authoritarian in the way he runs the party.

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:59

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 04/05/2025 08:55

I’m talking about posts on here not elsewhere.

And I'm talking about posts here and everywhere else.
This photo in particular garnered some vile comments in support of drowning migrants by not allowing them to land. (It's actually of a French famers protoes, but this didn't stop the racists hoping it was on the beaches of Kent).

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:59

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:42

Starmer, Reeves and majority of cabinet couldn't be honest if their lives depended on it. Which is the whole reason for the results this week!
They lied about everything and anything in order to get elected, then "forgot" all those promises once in power, showed that they are economically illiterate and have managed to piss off everyone apart from die hard Laboyr supporters.
Starmer is an authoritarian, refuses to accept accountability, displays exceeding arrogance and refuses to listen. As do majority of cabinet.
Many of support for Reform came from voters telling Labour that they fundamentally disagree with the direction of travel and Starmer's response "we will go faster"! People don't want him to go faster, they want him to bloody stop!

Please explain authoritarian because I've travelled the world and this government doesn't come close. I visited Romania under communist rule and I can tell you that you wouldn't be saying bad things about that regime....you would have vanished.

They have been honest and clear. The country has a huge gaping hole in its finances and has ambitions to fix crumbling schools, fund the NHS, fill billions of pot holes, deal with an aging population and dementia epidemic....all this costs money....not to mention wars and tarriffs. They were elected to fix the country not cut even more services.

I'm sorry you don't like that but that's how democracy works. If Reform are elected I'll have to deal with all the cuts that come with it.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 08:57

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:36

Yes, I do, I think he's a decent individual. Certainly compared to Truss and that liar, Johnson. I also thought Theresa May was not a bad person, especially after she apologised for her language on asylum seekers.
I think voters are being fickle and somewhat hypocritical. On the one hand, they want politicans to be honest and not push problems into the long grass. Yet on the other hand, Starmer and Reeves are being honest about the problems they face, and trying to rectify the economy. And they are being punished for it. People want the economy sorted- spending needs to be reduced- yet people seem to think they shouldn't be affected by this, it should be other people who pay. When the Daily Mail and Reform making false claims about what migrants get,and how we are being invaded by people who want to destroy our culture and decamp en masse into five star hotels, no wonder some people actually belive these falshoods and think if we just closed the door, everything would be magically solved.

I know you do. He’s always had people on here who are pro Starmer.

His polling is dire though so your perspective is not shared by the majority. In a focus group the top word was Liar so even there mn is against the general perception.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 08:56

dubsie · 04/05/2025 08:47

I wonder whether you'll actually get what you want? What are you expecting from them is my question to you?

Do you value your local council, the NHS, British farming, paid holidays, fair rights at work, freedom of speech etc. What you might not realise is there's more in the Reform manifesto than just stopping boats. Reform like Trump actually in reality don't like real freedom of speech.... don't like the free press. What you are seeing is all staged interviews.

Well Labour have ensured that no farmers will ever vote for them again! They are London elite and don't give a rats ass for farmers or countryside!

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 04/05/2025 08:55

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:51

Because if you spend time talking to people who wish to control migration, racism is often the cause of it. Not always, but often.
Look at facebook posts, look at the Daily Mail comments, look at Reform candidates' social media posts, look at the colleague who said that they thought Sadiq Khan supported 9/11 (overheard in my primary school staffroom for crying out loud) listen to the comments of those British people trying to to burn other humans alive in migration centres last summer. Not everyone who has concerns about migration is racist- but a lot of them, whether they admit it to themselves or not, are

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I’m talking about posts on here not elsewhere.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2025 08:54

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 08:42

Troll becuase you've called me thick and bigotted, and am apparently am also lacking in critcal thinking skills as well.
How can you possibly blame Labour when they've been in power nine months, after the massive black hole in the economy they've inherited? That makes no sense.
It's Tory councils who are forcing parents to appeal EHCP decisions, not the Labour government. It's the Reform Leader who says that we are 'massively overdiagnosing those with mental illness problems.'
As a previous metals commodities trader, what qualifications does Farage have to diagnose en masse people and children's SEND status?

Edited

Of course Starmer and Labour are responsible for the decisions they make. There have been plenty that have impacted people negatively.