Reform party

Wow talk about being ageist.

Interesting thing is ive not heard anybody come forward and say i
voted reform for these reasons, but i deplore racism,sexist and homophobics of any kind and its time the leaders of this party rooted out these dispicable narrow minded individuals so it can be taken seriously.
I agree that two party politics has done nobody any good and its time to hold these partys to acount.
So proportional representation should be introduced and all people of working age should be allowed to vote.Then prehaps a party that consists mainly of white men over the age of 40 may have very little affect.
As i suspect the younger more educated adults of this nation may be better placed to understand what is required.

The thing that most worries me is that, if Reform are taking their stance from the Republicans under Trump, then they won't respect democracy when they get in, and we won't be able to vote them out again.

I don't know how many of their supporters have thought about it from this angle - I suspect most of them haven't.

Basically, we have no evidence that Reform will act as a loyal opposition - as the Tories, Labour, or any other major party would - and lots of evidence they will be looking to subvert the institutions so they can never be kicked out, by an election at least.

They make alot of flaunting that they are willing to make the same sorts of decisions as Trump's Republicans. Well, if they say that, we should assume they are also willing to undermine democracy.

Basically, if you have, or are considering voting Reform, just think on that. Are you sure you would not be helping to take away the vote from everyone else, and yourself, ultimately. If you know someone thinking to vote Reform, please bring this up with them.

Blossom - if the Tories had removed the WFA something tells me you would have been first on a thread complaining.

Blossom - do you really not get what has just happened. You seem to be making excuse after excuse for Labour and that is EXACTLY why someone like Farage will get more and more power.

The electorate has given both parties a bloody nose and most importantly Labour are in power not because they were better than any party but because the electorate wanted the Tories out.

So far Labour have managed to piss off so many groups of people and they are not finished yet. Reeves almost has a smirk on her face when she is stabbing certain groups in the back or maybe it’s just me. She quite honestly seems more interested in grabbing any freebie going.

For me it was the WFA and the employers NI rise. Just what was she thinking?
The state pension is what £12k per year? About the cost of Reeves travelling Business Class to the US with a few assistants. The thing about the elderly is it’s not as though they can ask for a few extra shifts. The NI increase was just plain bonkers.

If it was up to me we would curb all immigration but the conservatives allowed more in than Tony Blair....so all this blaming Starmer for now seems like right wing plot to remove a government that is actually working for normal workers.

If it was up to me we would curb all immigration but the conservatives allowed more in than Tony Blair....so all this blaming Starmer for now seems like right wing plot to remove a government that is actually working for normal workers.

What do you think about the fact some immigrants (including immigrants arriving with a visa) are themselves homophonic, misogynistic and racist? Is that fine because they are the immigrant?

I don't think all immigrants share British values. And for the people that will ask with faux naivety "what are British values?" I would say for the most part they are to live and let live in peace, safety and freedom.

People are not a blank canvas. I don't think (in fact I know first hand) that not all immigrants believe that gay people and women should live in peace, safety and freedom. Different people from all different cultures also bring their own racism against other countries/cultures and religions.

I am well aware we have plenty of our own citizens(usually men) that pose a risk to a safe and free way of life for gay people/women and sometimes people of a minority group. But that doesn't mean that we should allow more.

Yes you're right. No point flogging a dead horse. Let them crack on, further and faster down the same road.

I don’t think they’ll budge. Let them stick to Labour.

Meanwhile they could be out next GE.

It's quite fascinating that this is your take away from these results. I suppose you're willing to go down with the ship.

It's quite fascinating that this is your take away from these results. I suppose you're willing to go down with the ship.

So 679 is less than 188 in your world? And losing every single Tory run council - 18 in all - is a better result than losing Durham? Come on!

Facts? It is you who has a lack of regard for the facts. Labour lost two thirds of the seats they were contesting. They lost Durham, they lost their 14700 majority in Runcorn. MP in Liverpool has said that Starmer is heading towards being as unpopular there as Thatcher.

Oh but someone will be along in a moment to say poor Labour have only just started, how can we possibly judge them so soon? Added to which the Tories are even more unpopular (as if in some perverse way this makes Labour better)

Britain is certainly becoming less tolerant on so many levels. As wealth inequality grows, people are failing to see that it's the super rich and multinationals that are causing their hardship and laying the blame where it is more visible to them. This is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany and it is happening all over the western world.

Social media has created echo chambers where people feel safe to declare what was previously deemed unacceptable, and as people take comfort in these inhumane ideas the rhetoric overflows into every day life.

What makes a country full? There is no measure, so it is right wing media that has created this concept and spread it far and wide.

What is the ideal mix of generations in a country? Surely it needs a majority of people of working age to support the others and as the birth rate plumets, this has to come from immigration.

As for blaming NHS waiting lists on immigrants - they are the NH workers.

I fear for my children's generation who will at some point have to pick up the pieces of this far right populism and re-right, or re-write, the world.