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Gman1 · 02/05/2025 17:13

Is the growing intrest in the reform party a sign that racism is growing in this country and has now become acceptable.

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Buzyizzy217 · 04/05/2025 07:49

The country is not full!
We have 100,000’s job vacancies which need filling and I’m disgusted at the lies.
Sm has become open day for all the racists. I am second generation immigrant and appalled at the way we are being treated.
I do hope these vile bigots never need our NHS.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2025 07:44

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 07:02

I am a primary school teacher in a leafy area in outer London. We have a lovely school field. However, we are no longer able to use it except for Sports Day as we no longer have the staff to allow children on it, due to cuts made by the last government. I'd much rather the school sell it off and employ some TAs, and even bring class sizes below 33.
And you know what, I don't blame migration for this. And I'm so glad we're not in neighbouring Kent- I can't imagine what schools will be like once the Reform council cuts the SEND budget becase Nigel Farage believes too many kids hae SEND.

Who has blamed migration for school playing fields?

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 07:22

Lots of fickle voters in Britain. Labour inherited a massive mess. Not only did the Tories fuck up the economy, public services and trust in politicians, but they refused to acknowledge this. Labour, led by a decent man, have been left a massive job to rectify this. The only way they can do this is by taking tough decisions. The Winter Fuel Allowance was a benefit paid for based on age- so it meant that Charles in Buckingham Palace got it as he's a pensioner, and my parents got it. They've just come back from staying in one of South East Asia's nicest hotels, and are planning their next trip to India. In short, they didn't need it, and often donated it to either charity, or my family.
Unfortunately, the country couldn't afford to keep paying this non-means tested benefit, which was a Tory bribe to pensioners to vote for them. So it was cut to just the neediest people. Likewise changes to PIP payments- not what most Labour politiicans went into politics to do, but there's no alternative as the country was fucked by Liz Truss and colleagues.
This has nothing to do at all with migration. Britain takes less migrants per capita than many other countries in Europe and worldwide. The easiest way to stop te boats tomorrow is to eastablish safe and legal migration routes from safe and legal migration centres in Europe. Most of the people arriving here by boat are granted asylum- which is pretty tricky given you have to convine a decision maker you are genuine- so are in no way illegal. And it's not illegal to claim asylum in the first place. Why the government isn't standing up to the lies and dog whistle nonsense spouted relentessley by the Daily Mail, I just don't know.
It's pleasing to see that at least in Canada and Australia common sense has prevailed with their elections.
I think a lot of people are going to find out that far right, dog whistle rhetoric doesn't get the bins taken out, doesn't help if your child has SEND, and their will be a lot of voter regret. In the meantime, the boring decency and unfashionable work ethic of Starmer will slowly but surely demonstrate that he is a safe pair of hands for another term in goverment.

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 07:02

twistyizzy · 03/05/2025 07:42

Raynor has extended the policy of selling off school playing fields. She could have ended the policy but instead has extended to 2030! Got to get those houses built, and seemingly happy to do so at expense of state school kids!!

I am a primary school teacher in a leafy area in outer London. We have a lovely school field. However, we are no longer able to use it except for Sports Day as we no longer have the staff to allow children on it, due to cuts made by the last government. I'd much rather the school sell it off and employ some TAs, and even bring class sizes below 33.
And you know what, I don't blame migration for this. And I'm so glad we're not in neighbouring Kent- I can't imagine what schools will be like once the Reform council cuts the SEND budget becase Nigel Farage believes too many kids hae SEND.

abracadabra1980 · 04/05/2025 01:48

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 02/05/2025 17:14

I think it's more a sign of complete disgust and disillusionment with the main parties

This.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2025 01:42

Donald Trump is single handedly destroying right wing politics in the democratic world. Reform councils will fail even biglier than Trump because Nigel Farage has no idea, no loyalty, no work ethic and no trust in Reform representatives.

RolandH · 03/05/2025 21:17

The thing that most worries me is that, if Reform are taking their stance from the Republicans under Trump, then they won't respect democracy when they get in, and we won't be able to vote them out again.

I don't know how many of their supporters have thought about it from this angle - I suspect most of them haven't.

Basically, we have no evidence that Reform will act as a loyal opposition - as the Tories, Labour, or any other major party would - and lots of evidence they will be looking to subvert the institutions so they can never be kicked out, by an election at least.

They make alot of flaunting that they are willing to make the same sorts of decisions as Trump's Republicans. Well, if they say that, we should assume they are also willing to undermine democracy.

Basically, if you have, or are considering voting Reform, just think on that. Are you sure you would not be helping to take away the vote from everyone else, and yourself, ultimately. If you know someone thinking to vote Reform, please bring this up with them.

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2025 21:02

They’re not illegal unless their claim has been denied - for the umpteenth time.

jamanbutter · 03/05/2025 20:57

Ohshitiveturnedintomymother · 03/05/2025 10:45

Lots of the overcrowding in Kent and lack of home for local people is also due to Londoners moving down for more space and a nicer life and driving up house prices. I live in a town which used to be affordable but now you need at least one London salary to afford to live here. No one talks about that and the impact on local infrastructure. It’s always the ‘boat people’

Legal dwellers moving up and down the country is normal, they are legal.
Illegal migrants should not be in the country. The boat people are the problem. Since when have we started to support illegal actions.

oldwhyno · 03/05/2025 20:35

No, it’s not a sign that racism is growing, and no, racism has not now become acceptable.

hope that helps.

EssexMan55 · 03/05/2025 20:17

Insertfootnote · 03/05/2025 15:00

I've not seen this but I have seen Reform instantly dismiss anyone displaying extremist views. Could you please show me some examples of these councillors?

hopenothate.org.uk/2025/04/17/reform-party-candidates-doncaster/

Insertfootnote · 03/05/2025 15:00

EssexMan55 · 03/05/2025 13:52

Many of their councillors are demonstrably racist. Easy to find out bet checking what they have posted on Facebook. Such as openly admiring hitler or wanting to machine gun people in small boats because they are fed up with immigrants.

I've not seen this but I have seen Reform instantly dismiss anyone displaying extremist views. Could you please show me some examples of these councillors?

Aaron95 · 03/05/2025 13:56

lavendarwillow · 02/05/2025 17:23

Can you honestly say the UK is an attractive place to live right now (unless you are a millionaire)? Quality of life has decreased dramatically and the Labour government have kick started a recession. The Tories bled the country dry of course.

Yes you can. The UK is one of the wealthiest and safest countries on the planet. Go to prettyuch by country in Asia, Africa or South America and then you may change your mind.

Kneenightmare · 03/05/2025 13:53

Livelovebehappy · 03/05/2025 08:34

Let's be honest. They can't make it any worse than what it is. The country is spiralling into third world territory. I cant see how any other party can make things worse. Labour were warned this would happen, but clearly didn't Care. Maybe they'll start to care now. Cue more lies and empty promises.

And do you think Labour are responsible for that? There are significant global issues impacting the economy that are impacting pretty much all countries and 14 years of political instability and voting to isolate ourselves from our nearest trade partners has not helped. There’s no magic wand to fix that and if there was it certainly wouldn’t be Nigel Farage waving it.

EssexMan55 · 03/05/2025 13:52

Insertfootnote · 03/05/2025 12:04

Could you please point me to which of Reform's policies are racist? Thanks.

Many of their councillors are demonstrably racist. Easy to find out bet checking what they have posted on Facebook. Such as openly admiring hitler or wanting to machine gun people in small boats because they are fed up with immigrants.

EssexMan55 · 03/05/2025 13:51

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 03/05/2025 11:10

I don't think all people who vote for Reform are necessarily doing so because they are racist. Many are just disillusioned and see it as a protest vote. But they are obviously choosing to vote for Reform despite the racism, so yes, I do think the growing popularity of Reform reflects the fact that racism has become more acceptable in this country. If people weren't willing to turn a blind eye to the racism, they would find another way of registering their disillusionment instead, so they are clearly making the calculation that they just don't care.

And they don’t have to vote for a racist party. There are two other mainstream parties outside labour and tories.

Kneenightmare · 03/05/2025 13:47

Livelovebehappy · 02/05/2025 23:11

Don't you understand that a lot of people who have voted Reform yesterday don't necessarily want them in Government. But they want to send a message that we are sick of them not listening to the silent majority who do not want uncontrolled immigration. Labour have done nothing. They are hugely pro immigration and have no intention of stopping it.

However you/they have voted them into local government so it’s not just a protest vote. It will impact local services and how budgets are allocated. But it won’t limit immigration as those are central policies.

Dbank · 03/05/2025 12:14

Gman1 · 02/05/2025 17:13

Is the growing intrest in the reform party a sign that racism is growing in this country and has now become acceptable.

No, I do not believe it is. However, there is an ongoing fundamental change across Europe regarding the rejection of unlimited immigration and socialism. Based on the recent results, it appears that this change is “coming here soon.

If the majority of people believe immigration is too high (52% in a recent poll), it is likely that many of them hope Reform will actually do something about it.

Dismissing anti-immigration as racist doesn’t address a genuine legitimate concern. Most of the European parties made the same mistake.

Insertfootnote · 03/05/2025 12:04

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 03/05/2025 11:10

I don't think all people who vote for Reform are necessarily doing so because they are racist. Many are just disillusioned and see it as a protest vote. But they are obviously choosing to vote for Reform despite the racism, so yes, I do think the growing popularity of Reform reflects the fact that racism has become more acceptable in this country. If people weren't willing to turn a blind eye to the racism, they would find another way of registering their disillusionment instead, so they are clearly making the calculation that they just don't care.

Could you please point me to which of Reform's policies are racist? Thanks.

Newmum738 · 03/05/2025 11:26

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2025 10:54

We lost all our industry 40 years ago under Thatcher. Most of the country’s ills are rooted in her myopic policies.

And people still mourn the ‘good old days’ 🤷‍♀️ People wanted globalisation so it will be interesting to see how many support what we could lose by turning our backs on it. I’m in favour of British made products, just not sure I can afford them! I also quite like travel which is at risk of becoming much more expensive.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 03/05/2025 11:10

I don't think all people who vote for Reform are necessarily doing so because they are racist. Many are just disillusioned and see it as a protest vote. But they are obviously choosing to vote for Reform despite the racism, so yes, I do think the growing popularity of Reform reflects the fact that racism has become more acceptable in this country. If people weren't willing to turn a blind eye to the racism, they would find another way of registering their disillusionment instead, so they are clearly making the calculation that they just don't care.

twistyizzy · 03/05/2025 11:04

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2025 10:52

It’s Rayner. And a link would be nice. ☺️

Google is a really good place to find links however I'm in a good mood so here you go:

www.localgov.co.uk/Councils-at-liberty-to-sell-school-land-Rayner-says/62309

Insertfootnote · 03/05/2025 10:57

Could someone please explain to me how wanting to control immigration is 'racist'.