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Starmer told to accept Trump ‘free speech’ agenda

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Circularmadness · 16/04/2025 17:12

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-jd-vance-trade-deal-free-speech-b2733806.html

outrageous exploitative overreach by Trumps regime to try and dictate how the Uk handles free speech. How dare he, I hope Starmer holds firm.
Trumps administration, the very same who cancel press access if they refuse to use the approved language of the regime ( Gulf of Mexico). This would take the UK to a very dark place.

Starmer told to accept Trump ‘free speech’ agenda
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Circularmadness · 19/04/2025 20:19

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 19:13

Carole Cadwalladr - who investigated Cambridge Analytica and foreign influence in the Brexit campaign- is calling out the Trump regime for what it is:
https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3ln6n75dah222

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Thank goodness for her voice 👏🏻🤩

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Circularmadness · 19/04/2025 19:04

Circularmadness · 19/04/2025 19:02

Unfortunately I agree, I think we should be very wary of writing them off. Especially when they have the backing and might of the Russian propaganda psychological warfare bot farms extending their tentacles all over the web and social media.

Sorry meant this in response to Reform post!

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Circularmadness · 19/04/2025 19:02

Unfortunately I agree, I think we should be very wary of writing them off. Especially when they have the backing and might of the Russian propaganda psychological warfare bot farms extending their tentacles all over the web and social media.

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StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:54

NeverReadUlysses · 19/04/2025 12:52

I agree - we need to ditch the special relationship.

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Indeed, any relationship that is blatantly one-sided is not worth having.

And I'm saying that as someone who got 'accused' of being American on my own thread a couple of days ago!

NeverReadUlysses · 19/04/2025 12:52

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:47

I really hope you're right!
I think we should not underestimate them though - in this day and age, all bets are off...

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I agree - we need to ditch the special relationship.

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:50

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 16/04/2025 17:40

Im on the look out for chlorine washed chicken as part of these trade talks. Food must be labelled clearly so the consumer can choose.
Agree id align with Europe than America. Stupid Brexit.

Yes. I have name changed a few times over the years but I remember the Brexit threads. No one can deny that by and large, the predictions came true in terms of reduced trade, GDP and no improvement in public services. Brexit is to sovereignty and prosperity what free speech is to Trump.

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:47

NeverReadUlysses · 19/04/2025 12:45

Fortunately Reform aren’t going to be able to form a government. They’re down from five MPs to four. Starmer is a silent assassin who says very little but acts decisively. Vance likes shooting his mouth off and making threats. Starmer won’t join in a war of words with Vance. He might say one cryptic sentence and that’s all. No shouting matches. I don’t trust him because I don’t know what he’s going to do next, but it won’t involve threats.

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I really hope you're right!
I think we should not underestimate them though - in this day and age, all bets are off...

NeverReadUlysses · 19/04/2025 12:45

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:37

But he wants to. That's the outrageous thing about this regime. They want us to be in their orbit and abide by their ideology like the USSR controlled Poland, Czechoslovakia and others back in the day.
True vassals is what they want.
Guess who is in line for Governor? Lined up for 2029? Reform 'Sovereignty is all' is ironically in bed with them but oh no, the biggest threat to the UK is the only bloc that is still trying to uphold liberal democratic values! And OF COURSE the first thing Reform will do is take us out of the ECHR - wonder why?? Anyone fancy a trip to El Salvador?

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Fortunately Reform aren’t going to be able to form a government. They’re down from five MPs to four. Starmer is a silent assassin who says very little but acts decisively. Vance likes shooting his mouth off and making threats. Starmer won’t join in a war of words with Vance. He might say one cryptic sentence and that’s all. No shouting matches. I don’t trust him because I don’t know what he’s going to do next, but it won’t involve threats.

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:45

Lisa Murkowski is as Republican as Republican gets! She's senator for Alaska. "retaliation is real" "we are all afraid"... if that doesn't creep you out, I don't what will:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2uJ3cGHY-I

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:39

I really hope we're not stupid enough to fall for that but there is so much loathing of liberal progressive values out there I'm not sure it's possible to resist the sweeping tide. Dark times.

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 12:37

NeverReadUlysses · 19/04/2025 12:33

JD Vance doesn’t get to control UK laws.

But he wants to. That's the outrageous thing about this regime. They want us to be in their orbit and abide by their ideology like the USSR controlled Poland, Czechoslovakia and others back in the day.
True vassals is what they want.
Guess who is in line for Governor? Lined up for 2029? Reform 'Sovereignty is all' is ironically in bed with them but oh no, the biggest threat to the UK is the only bloc that is still trying to uphold liberal democratic values! And OF COURSE the first thing Reform will do is take us out of the ECHR - wonder why?? Anyone fancy a trip to El Salvador?

NeverReadUlysses · 19/04/2025 12:33

JD Vance doesn’t get to control UK laws.

Maitri108 · 19/04/2025 12:29

But the US wants to see laws on hate speech repealed as well as plans for a new online safety law dropped.

Because the US government is being run by billionaire tech bros.

Bluebellwood129 · 17/04/2025 09:26

logicisall · 17/04/2025 09:21

??? The article is about the USA and how dissenters are treated.

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Sorry, correct.

logicisall · 17/04/2025 09:21

Bluebellwood129 · 17/04/2025 08:53

It's Starmer's job to stand strong, not the job of a union representative.

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??? The article is about the USA and how dissenters are treated.

Bluebellwood129 · 17/04/2025 08:53

logicisall · 17/04/2025 08:45

It must be difficult to stand strong when this is happening. I'm hoping a strong person will arise on the political scene to speak out against Trump. A union leader perhaps?

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/12/politics/trump-krebs-khalil-taylor-crackdown-dissent-what-matters/index.html

It's Starmer's job to stand strong, not the job of a union representative.

user499978802 · 17/04/2025 08:46

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/04/2025 08:38

To be fair, some British people do this a lot as well.

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Yes, there's a thread on here where people are incensed at posters who dare use 'American English' on this site.

@Circularmadness As an American living in the UK, I very much hope Starmer holds firm against this moronic orange autocrat, and agree on MTG.

@PhilippaGeorgiou, yes to that, too.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/04/2025 08:38

ArtemisiaTheArtist · 17/04/2025 08:35

I think some Americans in general fervently believe that even if their laws do not exist abroad, they certainly should and "abroad" is in awe of how the USA does things. Which isn't true.

The French do this too. I come across French people a lot at work, and a common complaint is, "But this is not how we do it in France!" No, because you are in England/The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland!

To be fair, some British people do this a lot as well.

ArtemisiaTheArtist · 17/04/2025 08:35

I think some Americans in general fervently believe that even if their laws do not exist abroad, they certainly should and "abroad" is in awe of how the USA does things. Which isn't true.

The French do this too. I come across French people a lot at work, and a common complaint is, "But this is not how we do it in France!" No, because you are in England/The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/04/2025 08:24

We have to stand strong and not allow ourselves to be bullied by the Trump regime.

logicisall · 17/04/2025 08:18

The researcher was reportedly then accused of writings “that reflect hatred toward Trump and can be described as terrorism”.

Criticism=Hatred=Terrorism

Trump maths.