Illegal immigration - thread no. 101

Visa overstays and the like.

Because of where they're located. We're hidden away on island thousands of miles away and they still flock to come here for the benefits.

Here's a quote from a report done by the Telegraph (which you can take as acceptable.source or not as you wish)

Guy’s and St Thomas’s Hospital, in south-east London, offers a dedicated “refugees and asylum seekers service” in Lambeth and Southwark. According to the trust’s website, those who can benefit from the service include undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been refused the right to live here. Many of the services listed resemble those that ordinary Britons routinely wait days or even weeks to see their GP about, including “treatment for minor illnesses and ailments… medicines reviews, support and management… long-term condition reviews, management and referrals”.

Looks.like two tier NHS service to me.

Here's a quote from a report done by the Telegraph (which you can take as acceptable.source or not as you wish)

Guy’s and St Thomas’s Hospital, in south-east London, offers a dedicated “refugees and asylum seekers service” in Lambeth and Southwark. According to the trust’s website, those who can benefit from the service include undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been refused the right to live here. Many of the services listed resemble those that ordinary Britons routinely wait days or even weeks to see their GP about, including “treatment for minor illnesses and ailments… medicines reviews, support and management… long-term condition reviews, management and referrals”.

Looks.like two tier NHS service to me.

I feel like this is an interesting observation.

I would say most people don’t have an issue with anyone coming in for a better life for their family, better job prospects, better housing, better education for their kids. Isn’t that what we all want ultimately, and why many Brits choose to move abroad, to France, to Australia, to USA, wherever they feel their lives will improve.

What a lot of us have issue with is the hordes of young males 18-30 coming over here with no money, no discernible skills, and no regard for our laws, our culture and our women.

Overstayers? People who arrive on valid visas but don’t leave when they expire. The UK government forces aren’t great at finding them, and I doubt they are net contributors.

https://news.sky.com/story/i-had-no-idea-how-life-would-be-inside-the-lives-of-those-who-overstay-their-visas-and-go-underground-12931042

Do they actually jump whole waiting lists?

Or are they just prioritised for triage in A&E like other people who are potentially vulnerable?

Agree. The Boris wave is a ticking immigrants time bomb, the 5 years soon expiring for ILR.

They do jump the NHS queues TBF. Without having made any contribution to the UK. This means that a person coming in is treated better than someone from the UK with the same condition, as the PP said

Well I really hope they do! We are an island; we can't cope with a million new people per year, most of whom are unskilled and can't speak the language.

Sure let's bring in skilled and qualified people if we need them. But that's not the majority of immigration.

We should also have clear rules about being able to speak English and conforming to Western cultural norms such as tolerance, women's rights, gay rights etc.

In early 2000s it was via lorries. Peak numbers that way until the clamp down.

If not small boats then what are you thinking of?

You misunderstand me @Bromptotoo . I know all those exist, but the thresholds are not very demanding: ILR is a 5 year qualification period -- so make it 10 years, for example.

The UK have focused a lot about small boats. I’ve no idea if that is the main source of illegal immigration. I would imagine not. But they have scapegoated the small boats people to give the impression they are doing something.

There is a lot of legal immigration because with a static and aging population, this is what the UK needs. So I very much doubt they will be “tackling” it.

All of those are in place already.

Change the rule on legal migration to require that when the job contract or course ends, the visa is cancelled. No right to bring dependents below a minimum salary (far above NMW). And double the qualification period for indefinite leave to remain.

Well there's illegal immigration, which successive governments have failed to do anything about. Then there's legal immigration which is now in the million or so per year. It seems like it's hard for governments to curb this or reduce this number, maybe they think it would be unpopular to try?

Of course there are solutions. But I don't think the solutions are necessarily that straightforward. But maybe I'm wrong. I suspect the key missing ingredient is the political will to push this forward.

@wrongthinker but sure looking at the figures it seems that most people are coming into the UK via visa schemes?

So it’s not uncontrollable at all.

I feel like even a few months ago it would have been impossible to have this conversation on here without it devolving into a huge bun fight and eventually being taken down because of all the back and forth.

It gives me some hope that people are beginning to see that it's okay to speak up about this. Uncontrolled immigration is a huge problem across the UK and politicians need to actually start DOING something about it. I don't want a far right government here but I think that's what we'll end up getting one way or another if the government doesn't tackle this issue properly.

I don't know how we stop or reverse immigration at the level we now have it. How do you stop millions of people coming here? What do you do with the millions already here? It's definitely a complex issue but we've got to tackle it. Being allowed to have calm discussions and debates feels like a good step forward.

Iran and Turkey are the largest refugee hosting countries. Not Britain. Refugees make up less than half a percent of the population.

Well my understanding was that the French have criticised the UK for their lack of coordination and information sharing to stop the small boats. By saying aslyum policy it sounds like you are saying that the UK is a soft touch or something when there isn’t vast differences between asylum benefits.

But sure resettling via UNCHR is what people are calling for. This is already in existence. Increasing the numbers taken in via UNCHR would be ideal or the expansion of schemes like the Afghan scheme which is also dependent on the UNCHR.

You've literally no idea have you.

Britain is the world's soft touch.

People who break into the country get treated better than folk born here.

It's less about numbers and more about the danger to human life of crossing the Channel in a flimsy inflatable boat. Also the security element - lots of young men arrive this way, some of whom are criminals who wouldn't get through a legal route.

I'm sure his granddad would be proud at the part he's playing in destroying the country he saved from the abyss.

Traffickers possibly? Sea-going vessels?