Président Macron's speech tonight. (with English subtitles, I hope)

So ignorant.

You're right, notimagain, I may well have put it badly in referring to him a President when it was (I think) the late fifties when he was actually elected

Not that we'd have known it from accounts of those who had to work with him while he was in England ...

I suspect the problem some might have had is that your wording didn’t make clear that De Gaulle wasn’t President when he “scuttled off to the UK”,

The President was (I think) LeBrun.

Hence why the US needs to stop subsidizing the EU and focus on itself.

The EU announced spending of €850bn. Proof they are being subsized. If the US didn't pull back it's support the EU will not need to spend €850bn and that's just a start. The EU will end up spending way way way more than what the US asked them to spend as part of NATO, and what's going to happen to the UK? The 2.5% announcement from Stamer isn't going to cut it and the UK will continue to lose its relevance on the global stage.

So all you're telling me is Trump is right to cut spending to support the EU, paying billions for a war Ukraine will not win without NATO boots on ground and other waste and pay down the "bigly" debt.

Out of interest, what part of "De Gaulle scuttled off to the UK's protection" wasn't true?

Granted he used the rationale of disagreeing with the armistice they'd signed with Germany and claimed to be coordinating the resistance from here, but he could perfectly well have done that at home

I don’t think they can. They need American backup but I think they’re positioning themselves to ask for as little as possible.

And beside @Puzzledandpissedoff if you want to go that far back, you might be interested in what Ukraine was up to during WW2.

If it's De Gaulle you think you're talking about maybe pick up a history book?

@sleepwouldbenice when I said Europe could pick up the security guarantee you asked if I'd listened to leaders lately.

Do you think Europe will give the security guarantee?

The US debt is bigly big

Russia has actually stated the US foreign policy now largely aligns with theirs!

What concessions have Russia made? I am still looking for an answer there

It's doing way better than the UK 😂 😆.

Wages have stagnated so badly in the UK and there's no positivity. Look at the economic mews in the UK v US, companies committing to invest in the US while in the UK we sell all our companies with no vision.

Please don't even try to claim or pretend the UK is doing anywhere as good as the US economically. If the US economy is not doing well, the UK economy is in shambles.

The UK will need to increase defense spending beyond the 2.5% of GDP, let's see how that will happen.

Ending the war requires working with Russia. That doesn't mean giving in to Russia but we have to work with Russia.

What concessions are they asking Russia to make?

No their interests is not aligned with Russia but I guess that makes it easier for you to deal with it. The US has said it has to prioritize itself and wants out of all the wars and spending. Ending the war requires working with Russia. That doesn't mean giving in to Russia but we have to work with Russia.

Japan was on the wrong side of the last world war and committed terrible atrocities and yet they are strong allies today. heck Germany caused two world wars but where are they today?

Geopolitics works differently and is based on interests and working with the likes of Russia and North Korea requires finding ways to align on certain things for peace. The war is at a stalemate and there is no Ukrainian victory without NATO boots on the ground which would be WWIII.

Trump has been clear the US is getting out of wars and focusing on itself. He did it with Afghanistan, I guess he is also a Taliban spy?

Let's hope that the US's pivot to Russia works out for you all. I'm sure Putin can be trusted.

And those interests have changed so Europe needs to step up and look after itself. Stop whining.

The US made it clear as far back as Obama's "pivot to Asia" that Europe was not the US's priority anymore and yet you didn't act. That's on you.

No one out a gun to the UK PMs head to join the war

Article 5 was triggered by the US post 9/11 which did oblige the UK to come to its defence.

The US is the only member of NATO to have triggered Article 5.

Yes, I am. Thank you for noticing .

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@sleepwouldbenice such as?

Their interests are now aligned with Russia. Wow such an accolade

Play possum?

It's fine. You cosy up to putin. The land of the free (not) has my thoughts and prayers (not). Your economy is doing so well

No one put a gun to the States head and forced them to prop up European security, they did not because it aligned with their interests.

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No one out a gun to the UK PMs head to join the war, you joined because it aligned with your interests.

And all that doesn't justify all the trillions spent propping up European security over 80 years while you play possum.