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Don’t buy American goods

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Davidhowarth29 · 04/03/2025 21:39

Stop buying American goods. The only thing Trump understands is money. Take it away

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MsAmerica · 13/03/2025 00:41

SwingLifeAway · 10/03/2025 08:49

Given it seems like you have good alternatives, could you share them? Which was my original question…

Well, for starters, @SwingLifeAway, I log into MN via my email, not via Google nor anything else.
I stopped using Google initially not because of any paranoia, but because I don't find it to be very good. For searches I generally use Bing, which I find much, much better. Now, Bing is no paragon of integrity. But apart from that, there are a bunch of no-track options, such as DuckDuckGo. Ha - you can use Bing to search for no-track search engines!
Also, people should be aware that there are tons of free email providers who are not based in the U.S., many of whom take privacy far more seriously than Gmail or the other biggies. (Check out a site called EmailDiscussions.)
For buying products, remember that every time you order from Amazon, you are not only enriching Americans like Bezos, but you are taking income away from your own community, your own tax base. And Amazon is a terrible company! They treat their workers dreadfully, and they kill off brick-and-mortar businesses. And right now Bezos is really pandering to Trump!
Also, it pains me to say it, but anyone who really hopes for the best for America, long-term, should avoid vacationing there now. sigh

nearlylovemyusername · 12/03/2025 14:55

kungfoofighting · 12/03/2025 11:38

Agree, although is it a case of them supporting him or just kowtowing to protect their interests?

Edited

they brought the orange one into power. Musk was in public eye, the rest acted behind the scene.

I suggest googling Bezos and change of Washington Post policy. It's truly chilling

nearlylovemyusername · 12/03/2025 14:52

The withdrawal of all US booze from canadian shelves has absolutely put Kentucky in a panic.

Excellent! bring it on! esp given Kentucky were 66% red?

itsnotabouthepasta · 12/03/2025 11:38

You're not wrong @nearlylovemyusername but equally, it is having a significant impact on certain states.

The withdrawal of all US booze from canadian shelves has absolutely put Kentucky in a panic. Add in the tarriffs announced by the EU this morning on certain sectors, and there will be an impact.

What I don't understand is this insane bulldozing approach. By all means, wean yourself off imports and bring manufacturing back to the US - But he doesn't seem to understand you can't just create entire production factories/supply chain infrastructure within minutes. These things take years to do.

If we was weaning off, he would have 4 years to redefine american induustry and absolutely leave it in a better place. But this torched earth approach is the ramblings of a lunatic

kungfoofighting · 12/03/2025 11:38

nearlylovemyusername · 12/03/2025 11:13

Sorry for repeating myself, but I think it's really important to understand that the main value of US stocks is in Silicone Valley, not physical goods. Even if McDonalds goes bankrupt the impact on US won't be comparable to the impact of Facebook, Amazon etc (Magnificent Seven). McD would have huge jobs impact though.

So those of us who do want to make a difference let's try our best to pause use of those Silicone Valley giants - they all support Trump big time.

Agree, although is it a case of them supporting him or just kowtowing to protect their interests?

nearlylovemyusername · 12/03/2025 11:13

Sorry for repeating myself, but I think it's really important to understand that the main value of US stocks is in Silicone Valley, not physical goods. Even if McDonalds goes bankrupt the impact on US won't be comparable to the impact of Facebook, Amazon etc (Magnificent Seven). McD would have huge jobs impact though.

So those of us who do want to make a difference let's try our best to pause use of those Silicone Valley giants - they all support Trump big time.

MushMonster · 12/03/2025 06:47

It is not only a few mumsnetters.
It has made it to the news and all.

Stirabout · 11/03/2025 23:17

Looks like Americans are doing a great job atm

Musks net worth has decreased by $29bn yesterday alone due to reduction in share prices
see the Guardian

Tesla sales have dropped by 76% in Germany 🇧🇪🇧🇪🇧🇪 Well done them !

Oioisavaloy27 · 10/03/2025 19:13

McDonald's is an American company.

kungfoofighting · 10/03/2025 19:08

MushMonster · 10/03/2025 18:11

Thanks for pointing out Wise.
I wish more companies had it as an option for payment.

Me too, I love Wise!

MushMonster · 10/03/2025 18:11

Thanks for pointing out Wise.
I wish more companies had it as an option for payment.

birdcakebird · 10/03/2025 17:37

kungfoofighting · 10/03/2025 17:16

Wise is really good generally – great if you work with clients abroad or need to convert currencies often (v low fees).

They also offer a good rate of interest on cash – close to 5%

that's useful to know, thank you!

kungfoofighting · 10/03/2025 17:16

birdcakebird · 10/03/2025 16:47

Not 100% sure but I think Stripe is meant to be a bit better, but I think it is US owned but not entirely sure. It is widely used and internationally used as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paypal/comments/qocuqv/whatsabetteralternativetopaypal/

someone on this thread recommends Wise:

www.reddit.com/r/artbusiness/comments/19axg97/any_good_alternatives_to_paypal/

Edited

Wise is really good generally – great if you work with clients abroad or need to convert currencies often (v low fees).

They also offer a good rate of interest on cash – close to 5%

birdcakebird · 10/03/2025 17:11

nearlylovemyusername · 10/03/2025 17:01

We don't even need to boycott them for a long time.

Doing this for 3-6 months will damage share price to such extend that those who brought Trump into power will rethink pronto.

Let's hope it works!

That said, in most cases, maintaining longer term boycotts for many companies continues to be beneficial for lots of reasons (e.g. avoiding Amazon and spending with small businesses).

nearlylovemyusername · 10/03/2025 17:01

We don't even need to boycott them for a long time.

Doing this for 3-6 months will damage share price to such extend that those who brought Trump into power will rethink pronto.

Circularmadness · 10/03/2025 16:55

birdcakebird · 10/03/2025 16:47

Not 100% sure but I think Stripe is meant to be a bit better, but I think it is US owned but not entirely sure. It is widely used and internationally used as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paypal/comments/qocuqv/whatsabetteralternativetopaypal/

someone on this thread recommends Wise:

www.reddit.com/r/artbusiness/comments/19axg97/any_good_alternatives_to_paypal/

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I’ll check them out! Thanks so much

birdcakebird · 10/03/2025 16:47

Circularmadness · 10/03/2025 16:25

sorry If this has already been asked/answered but looking to cancel PayPal - anyone got a good Uk or EU alternative

Not 100% sure but I think Stripe is meant to be a bit better, but I think it is US owned but not entirely sure. It is widely used and internationally used as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paypal/comments/qocuqv/whatsabetteralternativetopaypal/

someone on this thread recommends Wise:

www.reddit.com/r/artbusiness/comments/19axg97/any_good_alternatives_to_paypal/

kungfoofighting · 10/03/2025 16:39

Circularmadness · 10/03/2025 16:25

sorry If this has already been asked/answered but looking to cancel PayPal - anyone got a good Uk or EU alternative

Depends what you want to use it for?

There isn’t really another service at the moment with the same reach in terms of online checkout

Circularmadness · 10/03/2025 16:25

sorry If this has already been asked/answered but looking to cancel PayPal - anyone got a good Uk or EU alternative

Barbadossunset · 10/03/2025 09:41

I'm not keen on a headlong rush to buy Chinese cheep as chips cars either by the way.

China has an authoritarian government, no freedom of speech and a very poor human rights record. Should they not be also boycotted?
Or are they ok because they are nominally left wing?

MushMonster · 10/03/2025 09:38

TizerorFizz · 10/03/2025 08:37

@MushMonster And when do you expect this to happen? Cars might be a bit heavier but we don't have an alternative at the moment. Cleaning up the atmosphere is not waiting for an alternative power.

I am saying Europe and UK should expand their minds and sit and think on the long term, on being independant and fully separated from systems, suppliers, softwares or ideas that tie us to US, or any other really. And as part of this, we can re-evaluate the use of hydrofen vehicles instead of wasting more money on the EVs. There are manufacturers of hydrogen ones, but... novel idea here... we can make our own! It is the greatest opportunity to start making our own and never ever look back.
It is not a today action, but one for the long term future, starting it from today. There is a whole ministry dedicated to this and I think they should go for it. Both green and provides growth. Two birds in the basket!
Maybe this does not belong in this thread. It is just one of my beloved options for growth and development. I am not fond of the EVs, at all.

kungfoofighting · 10/03/2025 09:20

SwingLifeAway · 10/03/2025 08:49

Given it seems like you have good alternatives, could you share them? Which was my original question…

I gave some alternatives above, in case helpful

SwingLifeAway · 10/03/2025 08:49

MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 23:28

For starters, I stopped using Google years ago.

And you could certainly think about not using Google or FB to log in to anything else. And you could think about trying an email provider not based in the U.S.

And it's certainly not a problem to avoid Amazon. They're only a middleman and you can buy most products elsewhere. Especially in person, if you live in a good-sized city.

For the record, I'm okay not using any of them.

Given it seems like you have good alternatives, could you share them? Which was my original question…

TizerorFizz · 10/03/2025 08:37

@MushMonster And when do you expect this to happen? Cars might be a bit heavier but we don't have an alternative at the moment. Cleaning up the atmosphere is not waiting for an alternative power.