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Any American Mumsnetters around?

134 replies

Wildflowers99 · 28/02/2025 19:02

To have a respectful discussion about Trump. Did you expect him to act in the way he has? Are you happy with it? What’s the mood towards him over there?

I’m completely speechless at his ambush of Zelenskyy tonight and just trying to understand how this has come about, and whether he has support to continue acting in this way. He was obviously chosen to be President by the public but I assume they would never have guessed how the last few weeks would have gone.

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mathanxiety · 10/03/2025 05:12

All you need to know about trump is that he installed a gold toilet in the penthouse whose size and value he grossly overstated.

Yes that is a lower case t. I think it suits him well.

knitnerd90 · 10/03/2025 04:28

Surprisingly yes some of them do. I've met quite a few conservative outdoorsy types. The ones who spend their entire lives glued to Fox News (or worse) are a whole different bunch.

I can't criticise much. Love the scenery, but the outdoors is not my forte.

SpuytenDuyvil · 10/03/2025 03:43

Knit, do you think those voters ever bother to visit National Parks? I think they are sitting in their basements watching Fox News.

knitnerd90 · 10/03/2025 02:55

Yes. "Run it like a business" -- well that's Elon Musk randomly sacking everyone he can without knowing what they do or the procedures he has to follow. Or that there's all sorts of dedicated offices already doing what he claims to be doing.

His idiotic cuts mean that Social Security isn't being processed properly, they had to rehire nuclear safety people, we're losing VA nurses, and national parks won't be open full time this summer. And let me tell you, loving the national parks is probably the most bipartisan thing in America along with Dolly Parton. I wonder how many Trump voters will connect the dots. Not enough I fear.

MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 23:07

BourbonsAreOverated · 04/03/2025 09:23

Trump doesn’t understand diplomacy or leading a country.
We are seeing the difference in a politician vs a businessman

This is something I often talk about, which baffles me. In America, Republicans often say they like the idea of a businessman as president, even in the absence of any political experience. Before Trump, there was Steve Forbes, Ross Perot, et al.
They don't seem to understand that, even in the absence of political experience, running a private company is nothing like a democracy!

MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 23:04

knitnerd90 · 04/03/2025 06:55

"Woke" has become useless. It had a specific meaning in Black American culture and it got turned into "everything leftist I don't like." Just like DEI and CRT got warped.

Trump is a bully. He doesn't know how to handle British politeness. Trump won't get the subtlety of someone pretending to bow and scrape while actually showing him up.

the problem with the Democratic Party is really that there's two packages of skills and they're being conflated. Party congressional leaders aren't really chosen for their messaging skills; their job is to keep their caucus in line, master procedure and negotiate. Nancy Pelosi is one of the greatest Speakers of the House ever, but she was grim on television. She was a genius at party organisation and discipline. She ne never brought a bill to the floor without making sure she had every vote lined up. There are quite a few Democrats who have good messaging skills. What the party needs to do is create a position for coordinating that. Also they need to stop texting me for money.

Lol. I remember Pelosi quipping, about a Republican whose bill failed, "Well, you do need to know how to count."

ZippyDoodle · 04/03/2025 10:02

The scary thing is that Trump doesn't understand nuance or subtle.

I'm baffled by what he is planning and concerned as to how this is going to evolve. I would imagine Putin also calls him a large orange clown behind his back. The stupidity is off the scale.

knitnerd90 · 04/03/2025 09:25

BourbonsAreOverated · 04/03/2025 09:23

Trump doesn’t understand diplomacy or leading a country.
We are seeing the difference in a politician vs a businessman

And not a very good businessman at that, despite his claims. Multiple bankruptcies, and managed to lose money running a casino!

BourbonsAreOverated · 04/03/2025 09:23

Trump doesn’t understand diplomacy or leading a country.
We are seeing the difference in a politician vs a businessman

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 08:26

BigMoonRising · 04/03/2025 02:49

I really do feel for all the Americans who did not vote for Trump.

I read about Ukraine giving up its nuclear capabilities in return for security/protection. Apparently a deal only lasts as long as it suits.

When watching Trump and Vance act like bullies in the Oval Office I got a glimpse that Vance is probably worse than Trump. I wouldn't have thought it possible. I felt dread.

This is obviously what the MAGA lot wanted - a dictator unfettered by morality and ethics.

Yes I too get the impression Vance is worse.

PP was right about the lack of finesse. He doesn’t seem to understand much beyond ‘we are the richest and most powerful country in the world’. Yes, but that is in part due to the soft power and diplomatic relations the US has had with the West (and a lot of the rest of the world). If you remove the soft power and turn everyone into a rival/enemy, and have an isolationist outlook, the States will lose all credibility and influence.

He seems to think it’s high time the States stopped letting other countries ‘take the piss’ but we haven’t - quite simply the States has given more money because it has more money. The UK is a generous donator of foreign aid, for example we donated £25 million to Turkey for the earthquake clean up. Am I going to have a hissy fit that Latvia (for example) didn’t donate as much? Well no, because we are a richer country. This doesn’t mean Latvia is taking the piss out of the UK.

It’s also wildly untrue that ‘nobody backs the States’. The UK followed the States into the Iraq war to basically avenge 9/11, we spent billions over 20 years supporting that ‘project’ plus hundreds of military lives and an increased threat of terror that has killed God knows how many British members of the public since then. It transpired there were no weapons of mass destruction - no risk to us from that angle at all. Britain has marked its card in the Middle East through supporting GWB in his ‘war on terror’.

Sorry to rant, and it’s absolutely not the fault of American citizens, but it’s all so frustrating. Now we are left as a much smaller country having to lead the charge against Putin, who the States hasn’t only stopped opposing but actively seems to be getting into bed with. It’s gutting, to say the least.

Right I had better get to work and take some deep breaths!

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BigMoonRising · 04/03/2025 08:13

“Woke" has become useless. It had a specific meaning in Black American culture and it got turned into "everything leftist I don't like." Just like DEI and CRT got warped.

@knitnerd90 Thank you. I agree. An earlier version of warping meaning was Politically Correct.

How someone comes over on tv changed politics starting with JFK.

HeadacheEarthquake · 04/03/2025 08:06

Slimbear · 04/03/2025 05:45

Trans women in women’s sport for example. So unfair.

That's an example

Not a definition

BigMoonRising · 04/03/2025 08:02

Slimbear · 04/03/2025 05:45

Trans women in women’s sport for example. So unfair.

You’ve given an example.

Can you define the word. I’d like to know what you mean -a broader definition.

It can’t only be trans women in men’s sport and spaces. Many people on the left also don’t agree with it.

knitnerd90 · 04/03/2025 06:55

"Woke" has become useless. It had a specific meaning in Black American culture and it got turned into "everything leftist I don't like." Just like DEI and CRT got warped.

Trump is a bully. He doesn't know how to handle British politeness. Trump won't get the subtlety of someone pretending to bow and scrape while actually showing him up.

the problem with the Democratic Party is really that there's two packages of skills and they're being conflated. Party congressional leaders aren't really chosen for their messaging skills; their job is to keep their caucus in line, master procedure and negotiate. Nancy Pelosi is one of the greatest Speakers of the House ever, but she was grim on television. She was a genius at party organisation and discipline. She ne never brought a bill to the floor without making sure she had every vote lined up. There are quite a few Democrats who have good messaging skills. What the party needs to do is create a position for coordinating that. Also they need to stop texting me for money.

Tubs11 · 04/03/2025 06:16

beachcitygirl · 01/03/2025 04:52

If it wasn't so truly awful - it would be funny.
He's stupid. Insane, deranged, sociopathic or evil.

I KNOW it's not all Americans but FFS

And wtf was Sir Flopalot Starmer the kid starved doing kissing trump ass

It's like watching a bad movie but it's real

Starmer knew exactly what he was doing in that moment. The British people knew exactly what he was doing in that moment. That's diplomacy, airing your dirty laundry in public is not and never has been the way forward.

Slimbear · 04/03/2025 05:45

Trans women in women’s sport for example. So unfair.

BigMoonRising · 04/03/2025 05:08

“Im sure all the woke crap turned people to Republic voting too. Telling people how they must think is not a good idea.”

@Slimbear Could you define woke for me please?

Slimbear · 04/03/2025 02:57

Trump had some sort of spat with Zelensky over Hunter Biden and Trumps impeachment -I don’t understand it, this is why he hates him. But you’d think Trump would be more subtle.
One problem is the Biden/Hartis debacle -where is a good Democrat leader?
Im sure all the woke crap turned people to Republic voting too. Telling people how they must think is not a good idea.

BigMoonRising · 04/03/2025 02:49

I really do feel for all the Americans who did not vote for Trump.

I read about Ukraine giving up its nuclear capabilities in return for security/protection. Apparently a deal only lasts as long as it suits.

When watching Trump and Vance act like bullies in the Oval Office I got a glimpse that Vance is probably worse than Trump. I wouldn't have thought it possible. I felt dread.

This is obviously what the MAGA lot wanted - a dictator unfettered by morality and ethics.

MsAmerica · 04/03/2025 02:33

Wildflowers99 · 28/02/2025 19:02

To have a respectful discussion about Trump. Did you expect him to act in the way he has? Are you happy with it? What’s the mood towards him over there?

I’m completely speechless at his ambush of Zelenskyy tonight and just trying to understand how this has come about, and whether he has support to continue acting in this way. He was obviously chosen to be President by the public but I assume they would never have guessed how the last few weeks would have gone.

I'm American - but how can any decent person be respectful of Trump?

Decent people didn't even respect him before he became president.

Well, join the club. No rational person could have guessed this would turn out worse any anyone imagined.

Decent Americans are embarrassed and ashamed.

Maitri108 · 02/03/2025 19:25

I say this is pretty definitive:

The Kremlin said on Sunday that the dramatic pivot in the foreign policy of the US “largely” coincides with its own vision, with Donald Trump described as having “common sense”

They'll start building a Death Star soon, designed by Musk.

CanadianJohn · 02/03/2025 19:13

I live in Canada, and I have relatives just across the border in Michigan. The Michigan people are mostly appalled by Trump.

One weakness of the American system of fixed elections is that they are stuck with him for 4 years (and that's assuming he doesn't fiddle some way to have a 3rd term)

SerendipityJane · 02/03/2025 18:10

upinaballoon · 02/03/2025 17:17

Thank you.

I'll read it again, later. It's tipped me over the edge and I'm crying about it. It's tea-time in England and I'm going to put the car away. I might have to give up Mumsnet for Lent.

JFK is one reason why I loved science - being nerdily interested in space exploration. One of the more eloquent (well, Ted Sorenson was 😀) POTUS there has been.

That we have come so far to go so low is heartbreaking.

The bit that really sticks for me:

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

Moglet4 · 02/03/2025 17:19

upinaballoon · 02/03/2025 17:17

Thank you.

I'll read it again, later. It's tipped me over the edge and I'm crying about it. It's tea-time in England and I'm going to put the car away. I might have to give up Mumsnet for Lent.

Yes I really should be cooking dinner too!

Mariposa55 · 02/03/2025 17:19

I am American and I am horrified and embarrassed. I am not surprised at all by what he’s doing. Anyone paying attention during the election knew he would be this bad. The people who voted for him lack critical thinking skills and get their news from unreliable sources. I don’t know many people who did. I have a few acquaintances who may have voted for him but they keep quiet about it. And they are not thoughtful people. And one is an overt racist.