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Wildflowers99 · 28/02/2025 19:02

To have a respectful discussion about Trump. Did you expect him to act in the way he has? Are you happy with it? What’s the mood towards him over there?

I’m completely speechless at his ambush of Zelenskyy tonight and just trying to understand how this has come about, and whether he has support to continue acting in this way. He was obviously chosen to be President by the public but I assume they would never have guessed how the last few weeks would have gone.

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SpuytenDuyvil · 13/03/2025 00:33

@MsAmerica Haha, no definitely not. I have been dragged around to National Parks by DH, so I have been to many of them, but it's not my favorite thing. I am indoorsy

MsAmerica · 13/03/2025 00:27

SerendipityJane · 11/03/2025 10:19

the GOP has unified control of the government

If that were true, then Trumps one bigly beautiful bill would be law by now.

The real truth is the GOP is totally splintered and you will have little cabals of representatives who will leverage their wafer-thin majority in order to pursue their own grifts. Which may - or may not - alight with Trumps.

The house is in a similar state to the last Tory government. Where there were enough headbangers to threaten the parliamentary majority so Sunak was forced into a permanent compromise.

Which is why Trump wants to make Congress an irrelevance. (And they are doing a good job of helping him).

And WTF is it with politically appointed judges ? Whoever thought that was a good idea ? Clearly fucking idiots, that's who.

Being non American I can take a pop at the founding fathers .... remember their mission was to ensure that landowners kept their land. All else was fine words and parades.

It's true that the GOP may be splintered. The Democrats usually are, too. But the Republicans have always been pressured to follow the party line, and right now they are really cowed by Trump.

MsAmerica · 13/03/2025 00:24

SpuytenDuyvil · 10/03/2025 03:43

Knit, do you think those voters ever bother to visit National Parks? I think they are sitting in their basements watching Fox News.

I'm not sure what you mean there. I don't go to National Parks. I'm a city chick. Does that make me a bad person?

knitnerd90 · 13/03/2025 00:04

I've lived in the US for 15 years, near DC in fact, and I assure you I do know how the government works. I watch the sausage get made. I don't even have the energy to reply to all your points, but I will point out that your metric of success by opinion poll is laughable garbage.

Federal agencies do have a lot of power. They're also controlled by laws and regulations -- which are passed by Congress, not merely the whim of the president. I would also point out that executive action has expanded radically in the past few presidencies, partly because Congress is ineffective and the use of the virtual filibuster requires 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate, but that the courts have ruled that quite a few of those actions were illegal. In fact, in the influential decision that overturned Chevron doctrine this spring, SCOTUS even limited their ability to promulgate regulations based on laws. Congress has to do that now.

nonmerci99 · 12/03/2025 20:51

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 20:50

Unfortunately many Americans are very insular - they haven’t travelled and aren’t interested in world affairs until their 401k drops and they want to know who to blame

Some Americans being parochial doesn’t make the post I replied to any less false.

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 20:50

nonmerci99 · 12/03/2025 17:32

Nonsense. You wrote some sweeping generalisations in your post that are easily countered under the guise of providing your “aw shucks!” American small-c conservative opinion. Honestly, your whole post looks very much like it was written for you. 🙄

Unfortunately many Americans are very insular - they haven’t travelled and aren’t interested in world affairs until their 401k drops and they want to know who to blame

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 20:46

1911AD · 12/03/2025 14:13

Ok. The question was about whether or not Biden's Presidency was widely perceived as a failure. I think that can be summed up by his polling at the end of his presidency, the pounding the Dems took in the election, and the shell shocked and ruderless state of the party today.

Americans are only now beginning to realise how good they had it under Biden compared with a felon in charge who has zero understanding of foreign policy, economics (he needs to learn about tariffs and explain them to his press secretary who is looking more stupid by the day), he can’t have what he wants - Panama, Greenland and Canada (and needs to shut up about them and stop disrespecting the Prime Minister by referring to him as Governor), he is not a peace maker (Ukraine and Israel) and it’s disgusting to talk about ethics ckeansing in Gaza.
Americas only allies are Russia (possibly) and Israel - they can stop thinking they are the greatest nation.

1911AD · 12/03/2025 20:29

Welp... the Federal Regulatory and Law Enforcement Agencies are in the President's portfolio. Is it just me or did the border look like one thing under Biden and something totally different under Trump? All with no new laws being passed by Congress. Seems to me the President has an awful lot of power over what the various agencies enforce, what they don't, and how they do or don't do it.

mathanxiety · 12/03/2025 18:51

1911AD · 12/03/2025 15:39

By defining practically everything in the US in a regulatory context.

Some examples: The Feds (that's a handy moniker) say what constitutes raisin bread to what safety features cars must have. Grazing is controlled on public land by the Bureau of Land Management. The US Forest Service has a slew of regulations governing how I can and cannot work my little 18 acre mining claim (not to mention how many nights a year I can camp on it). How airlines are run. What level of fire retardancy kids pajamas must have. Every single thing about highway construction. If I decided to start a tire making company, I would have to comply with all sorts of Federal Regulations from OSHA to the DOT to the EPA and probably lots of other agencies would want to have their say as well.

There are almost 100,000 pages in the Federal Register. Not all of those are regulations but, according to LegalKnowledgeBase.com there are over 88,000 Federal rules and regulations since 1995. There are 19 Federal Agencies. They are busy beavers.

Federal Regs touch every aspect of our lives whether we know it or not.

I'm certainly not saying the BLM shouldn't control grazing on public land or that highways should not be built to certain standards. I'm not complaining that there are Federal Agencies, I'm simply saying that they are woven into the very fabric of our existence and he who controls the Federal Agencies has got a hell of a lot of power.

So in other words, you don't really understand how the agencies work, if you believe one single person can control them.

I'm in the US btw, and I know what "the Feds" means, and also the general political leanings of people who use that term in association with the word "control".

The reasons trump has let chainsaw boy loose on the federal agencies are:
To promote a climate where the rule of law is undermined and individual feelings of security are demolished.
To make a mockery of the judiciary, whom he cannot control directly - he seeks to present them to his cult followers as enemies of the will of the people because they will inevitably issue rulings against the work of his pet goon, with consequences that might be horrendous on a national and personal level for individuals engaged in this public service.
To test the loyalty of the so far completely spineless GOP Congress and Senate - how far will they follow him into the fascist revolution? This is a test arising from his own dysfunctional personality, but he also wants them to do his bidding in the House and Senate, and since they are spineless they will play nicely out of the realization thst they are riding the back of the tiger.

The judiciary are his real targets here, with the end of the rule of law as his goal.

1911AD · 12/03/2025 17:46

nonmerci99 · 12/03/2025 17:32

Nonsense. You wrote some sweeping generalisations in your post that are easily countered under the guise of providing your “aw shucks!” American small-c conservative opinion. Honestly, your whole post looks very much like it was written for you. 🙄

I was speaking in sweeping generalizations of generally broad topics. That was my intent.

I don't understand "easily countered under the guise, etc."

You don't know me. How in the hell could you possibly be in a position to judge if I wrote that "screed" or if someone else did? For the record: I wrote that screed. The entire screed is all my screed. No one else writes my screeds. I write no one else's screeds. If I ever write another screed, it will also be thunk up by me. Shucks.

nonmerci99 · 12/03/2025 17:32

1911AD · 12/03/2025 17:30

As I stated in my last line, talk to someone from another part of the country, get a totally different read. Did you miss all that where I stated it was my take and my opinion?

I tried to make it clear that I'm one person in one part of a big, diverse country and this is what I'm seeing and hearing. I don't think there is any such thing as an American Everyman.

Nonsense. You wrote some sweeping generalisations in your post that are easily countered under the guise of providing your “aw shucks!” American small-c conservative opinion. Honestly, your whole post looks very much like it was written for you. 🙄

1911AD · 12/03/2025 17:30

nonmerci99 · 12/03/2025 16:26

😂😂😂

What a ridiculous, almost factless screed that was.

OP, this person is pretending to speak from some position of the American Everyman — don’t fall for it.

As I stated in my last line, talk to someone from another part of the country, get a totally different read. Did you miss all that where I stated it was my take and my opinion?

I tried to make it clear that I'm one person in one part of a big, diverse country and this is what I'm seeing and hearing. I don't think there is any such thing as an American Everyman.

1911AD · 12/03/2025 17:20

BettyBardMacDonald · 12/03/2025 16:15

Do you own the land you are mining and camping on?

Nope. It's public land. I have got a gold mining claim, which means I own the gold on the land.

nonmerci99 · 12/03/2025 16:26

1911AD · 12/03/2025 01:52

American Conservative here. Long post. Probably not worth reading. You have been warned.

Here is my take on all that has gone and all that is happening. I do not pretend to have any special insight, but I come from a large purple western state that went for Trump, and I like to ask people questions. Please do NOT infer that I voted for Trump... or that I even voted at all.

Here is my objective view.

First, though: This notion that the only people who voted for Trump are either uneducated white hillbillies or "fascists" is ridiculous. It was exactly that sort of scoldy name calling that played a role, I think, in Harris losing the election. I believe that the political middle simply got sick and tired of hearing that. "If you don't agree with all we say, you're either an idiot or a fascist or a racist or...". I know many well educated, well grounded, down to earth people who voted Trump. They are neither stupid nor "fascists". To reduce Trump's win in November to being the result of stupidity or right wing fascism is simply following the same tired old trope that, as I said, in part, cost Harris a victory. I would drop that line of thinking. It's a lazy oversimplification. Trump made significant inroads into the BIPOC electorate and that would be hard to do for someone perceived as either an "ist" or "phobe" of one kind or the other. I know gay people who voted for Trump. I know at least two trans people who voted for Trump. I know a guy who came to the US illegally in the '90s and he's the biggest Trumper I know. It's just not that idiotically simple to pin down what a Trump voter is.

Second: Felony convictions. No one I know, right or left, believes in those. Everyone I know, right or left, sees those as nothing more than unprecedented Banana Republic style lawfare by a weak, feeble and failing President Biden attempting to use the courts to take out a political opponent. That's all anyone sees that as. Every time Trump got indicted, his poll numbers went up. It was a horrible strategy by the Biden administration and backfired badly.

The Biden administration seems to widely be held as a complete failure. I can go into details if anyone is interested. Harris inherited that mantle. She ran a horrible campaign. I can go into details about that as well.

Whatever the hell Trump campaigned on, he will move heaven and earth to deliver. I believe that. I think it's just part of his psychological makeup. He HAS to be a winner. And being a winner means making it all come true. Then he can say, "See? Told you I could do it. I'm the only one who could do it. I'm the best!" One of the things Trump ran on was ending the war in Ukraine. So, in Trump's view, he will by-God end it. Doesn't matter what apalling Oval Office spectacle it takes. Doesn't matter if it means having to stroke Putin's dick. Trump said it and therefore it MUST happen. That is how I see Trumps mentality.

I believe Trump sees the rest of the West as basically using the US as a money tree. Hence the reciprocal tariffs. The US, as I understand it, has about a $50 billion trade imbalance with Canada due to Canada charging US companies tariffs while, in return, getting a free ride from the US. By all means, fact check that. I could certainly be wrong. Trump will in no way, shape or form tolerate the perception (or misperception) US being economically taken advantage of. It's not in his make-up. It would be intollerable.

NATO, the EU and the UK: In 2017 Trump was within an inch of leaving NATO. People had to be sent to Europe (where he was at the time) to talk him off that ledge. Trump sees NATO partners as parasites who have steadfastly refused to meet defense obligations while relying on the US taxpayer to foot the bill. Given Vance's speech in Munich, I also think he sees the EU as abandoning foundational liberal democratic principles. If he thinks those two things are the case, I can see him questioning the value in having an alliance with Western Europe. I can, however, see him abandoning Western Europe to its fate. Or, hell, it is Trump afterall, manipulating Western Europe into towing the line.

I don't know many Americans who have any clue that there was a "special relationship" between the US and the UK. I don't know many Americans who have ever given a single thought, in their entire lives, to the UK at all. I work with all sorts of Americans: White, black, Hispanic, Asian, American Indian... you get the picture. Most just swim through their small lives like all of us do. They worry about their kids' educations, whether or not they can afford a ski boat, should they go to Mexico to see family in April or wait til June? Stuff like that. Ukraine, NATO, Israel, Putin the Canada tariffs or the insecurity of the UK... all white noise to them. Irrelevant.

Finally near the end: The US Federal government does not work like many on this forum seem to think. Trump does not get every little thing his own way just because the Republicans have both Houses and the Supreme Court. The Dems can absolutely filibuster in the Senate and block any and all legislation (lucky for them they didn't kill the filibuster like they talked about doing). The Justices are rabidly independent and many's the time MAGA has gone nuts because Gorsuch or Barrett or one of the other Conservatives have gone against the MAGA narrative and sided with the Liberals. I read a lot of case law, and I'm often astonished at the 9th Circuit (a notoriously Liberal Federal Appeals Court) when it has rendered a "right wing" decision. (Sidebar: I read a post on this forum decrying "politically appointed judges". That, for me, was rich. Coming from someone who lives in a country where ALL judges are appointed (think there's no politics in that?) All of my State judges are elected. All of them.)

Where Trump has power is over all of the Federal Agencies. They fall within the Executive Branch of the government and he is the Caeser of that branch. He also controls the State Department. That means, short of declaring war (takes an act of congress) he sets the tone and says what's what when it comes to international relations... more or less, congress and the courts have some say in some of it.

Well, if you made it this far, congrats! I doubt I would have. Remember, this is just one American's opinion. America is huge and the diversity of opinions on all of this reflects that size. I am one person, as I said, in a large purple state who likes to know what his fellow citizens are thinking. I don't really have a "bubble" of like-minded folks I only speak with. I like to get all sides. However, talk to an American from, say, Manhattan and you could get a completely different and equally valid take.

😂😂😂

What a ridiculous, almost factless screed that was.

OP, this person is pretending to speak from some position of the American Everyman — don’t fall for it.

BettyBardMacDonald · 12/03/2025 16:15

1911AD · 12/03/2025 15:39

By defining practically everything in the US in a regulatory context.

Some examples: The Feds (that's a handy moniker) say what constitutes raisin bread to what safety features cars must have. Grazing is controlled on public land by the Bureau of Land Management. The US Forest Service has a slew of regulations governing how I can and cannot work my little 18 acre mining claim (not to mention how many nights a year I can camp on it). How airlines are run. What level of fire retardancy kids pajamas must have. Every single thing about highway construction. If I decided to start a tire making company, I would have to comply with all sorts of Federal Regulations from OSHA to the DOT to the EPA and probably lots of other agencies would want to have their say as well.

There are almost 100,000 pages in the Federal Register. Not all of those are regulations but, according to LegalKnowledgeBase.com there are over 88,000 Federal rules and regulations since 1995. There are 19 Federal Agencies. They are busy beavers.

Federal Regs touch every aspect of our lives whether we know it or not.

I'm certainly not saying the BLM shouldn't control grazing on public land or that highways should not be built to certain standards. I'm not complaining that there are Federal Agencies, I'm simply saying that they are woven into the very fabric of our existence and he who controls the Federal Agencies has got a hell of a lot of power.

Do you own the land you are mining and camping on?

1911AD · 12/03/2025 15:39

By defining practically everything in the US in a regulatory context.

Some examples: The Feds (that's a handy moniker) say what constitutes raisin bread to what safety features cars must have. Grazing is controlled on public land by the Bureau of Land Management. The US Forest Service has a slew of regulations governing how I can and cannot work my little 18 acre mining claim (not to mention how many nights a year I can camp on it). How airlines are run. What level of fire retardancy kids pajamas must have. Every single thing about highway construction. If I decided to start a tire making company, I would have to comply with all sorts of Federal Regulations from OSHA to the DOT to the EPA and probably lots of other agencies would want to have their say as well.

There are almost 100,000 pages in the Federal Register. Not all of those are regulations but, according to LegalKnowledgeBase.com there are over 88,000 Federal rules and regulations since 1995. There are 19 Federal Agencies. They are busy beavers.

Federal Regs touch every aspect of our lives whether we know it or not.

I'm certainly not saying the BLM shouldn't control grazing on public land or that highways should not be built to certain standards. I'm not complaining that there are Federal Agencies, I'm simply saying that they are woven into the very fabric of our existence and he who controls the Federal Agencies has got a hell of a lot of power.

mathanxiety · 12/03/2025 15:05

1911AD · 12/03/2025 12:52

Biden's approval rating was lower than whale shit and the Dems got pasted in the election. Hardly what I'd call a successful presidency. Ironically the only president since WWII who polled lower than Biden was Trump, yet somehow Trump handily beat Biden's surrogate. Which is weird. The Dems lost the political middle in the last go 'round. Successful Presidents don't do that. Midterms should be interesting.

Serious question: Was or is there a tariff imbalance between the US and Canada? You explained the trade deficit and that makes sense. Thanks for that.

Regarding Federal Agencies: I was generalizing. Of course, the courts will always have their say (and the occasional Trump Administration loss gives the lie to the idea that the courts are all in Trump's pocket). However, the Agencies, which have immense power over the day to day lives of Americans, do fall within the Executive Branch and are subject to Executive Orders by the President. He's the boss and he has a lot of fiat power.

The agencies have "immense power over the day to day lives of Americans"?

Explain, please.

mathanxiety · 12/03/2025 15:01

Whycanineverthinkofone · 12/03/2025 14:33

I’ve seen this narrative a lot, that the US is paying millions for defence so the UK and EU doesn’t have to. Same with healthcare, apparently they pay for drugs etc which is why we get them cheap.

how much is true? Who are the US defending us against? We have are own military, and the NATO agreements etc so why is the US investing so much into defence on our behalf?

if they are spending money to defend others, why are they doing so? Is there an agreement somewhere?

if we are benefitting, how would it work if US and Russia sided against everyone else, surely they aren’t going war and give us the benefit of their defence?

or is it American posturing- we choose to spend billions on defence which you would benefit from in a war so be grateful?

it’s never occurred to me that the US is somehow responsible for defending us militarily, how does that work?

Mainly via NATO, of which the US is a member, paying 15% of its costs (down from 22% previously). Apart from NATO, the US stations armed forces in certain countries around the world. The US Navy also has a global presence.

But the narrative of ungrateful Europeans who are happy to accept 'protection' while refusing to allow their economies to be destroyed by importing of American foods, industrial products, Monsanto products, etc is one that has gripped the Maga imagination.

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 14:38

Here in Canada the only country we need protecting from are the Americans!

Whycanineverthinkofone · 12/03/2025 14:33

Adamante · 01/03/2025 06:56

Hey Americans, mostly we Brits sneer at you, laugh at you and mock your culture (especially here on MN), yet are happy to accept your huge defence presence and protection with all that that costs you, financially and in the lives of your men and women. But now we are really pissed off, scared and resentful that you’re pulling back on that and it makes us feel vulnerable. How do you feel about it?

I’ve seen this narrative a lot, that the US is paying millions for defence so the UK and EU doesn’t have to. Same with healthcare, apparently they pay for drugs etc which is why we get them cheap.

how much is true? Who are the US defending us against? We have are own military, and the NATO agreements etc so why is the US investing so much into defence on our behalf?

if they are spending money to defend others, why are they doing so? Is there an agreement somewhere?

if we are benefitting, how would it work if US and Russia sided against everyone else, surely they aren’t going war and give us the benefit of their defence?

or is it American posturing- we choose to spend billions on defence which you would benefit from in a war so be grateful?

it’s never occurred to me that the US is somehow responsible for defending us militarily, how does that work?

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 14:20

1911AD · 12/03/2025 14:13

Ok. The question was about whether or not Biden's Presidency was widely perceived as a failure. I think that can be summed up by his polling at the end of his presidency, the pounding the Dems took in the election, and the shell shocked and ruderless state of the party today.

It was close in 2024 - Trump 49.8% v Harris 48.3% where Biden won easily in 2020 Biden 51.3% v Trump 46.8%.

1911AD · 12/03/2025 14:13

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 13:52

Comparing Trump and Biden ratings at their first 50 days,

Trump's approval and disapproval ratings both currently stand at 48 percent.

This is lower than Biden's popularity at the same point in his presidency on March 11, 2021, when he had an approval rating of 53 percent and a disapproval rating of 40 percent

Ok. The question was about whether or not Biden's Presidency was widely perceived as a failure. I think that can be summed up by his polling at the end of his presidency, the pounding the Dems took in the election, and the shell shocked and ruderless state of the party today.

Parker231 · 12/03/2025 13:52

Comparing Trump and Biden ratings at their first 50 days,

Trump's approval and disapproval ratings both currently stand at 48 percent.

This is lower than Biden's popularity at the same point in his presidency on March 11, 2021, when he had an approval rating of 53 percent and a disapproval rating of 40 percent

1911AD · 12/03/2025 12:52

knitnerd90 · 12/03/2025 05:25

I won't say that everyone who voted for Trump was a fascist. But a lot of them believed lies about inflation. Biden's administration isn't "widely considered a failure" at all. It's considered a failure by conservatives. Your opinion reflects the narrowness of your sources. They emphasize the immigration crisis and ignore the fact that post Covid inflation was significant everywhere. US inflation was lower than Europe's. Our housing crisis is largely caused by local government policies that prevent building housing where people need it.

plenty of his voters are now saying "I didn't vote for this". He told them he wouldn't implement project 2025 and he went and did it. He said that because he knew Project 2025 polled poorly.

Trolling Canada is unjustifiably stupid, and Canadians really do believe he wants to take over. It's destroying our reputation with our closest neighbour, and needlessly so.

he does not have sole power over all agencies. The courts have ruled against that in the past. He wants to implement unitary executive theory and politicise the civil service. We have a trade imbalance with Canada because we have 330M people and they have 41M. Of course we import more. Per capita, they do.

Biden's approval rating was lower than whale shit and the Dems got pasted in the election. Hardly what I'd call a successful presidency. Ironically the only president since WWII who polled lower than Biden was Trump, yet somehow Trump handily beat Biden's surrogate. Which is weird. The Dems lost the political middle in the last go 'round. Successful Presidents don't do that. Midterms should be interesting.

Serious question: Was or is there a tariff imbalance between the US and Canada? You explained the trade deficit and that makes sense. Thanks for that.

Regarding Federal Agencies: I was generalizing. Of course, the courts will always have their say (and the occasional Trump Administration loss gives the lie to the idea that the courts are all in Trump's pocket). However, the Agencies, which have immense power over the day to day lives of Americans, do fall within the Executive Branch and are subject to Executive Orders by the President. He's the boss and he has a lot of fiat power.

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