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The Brits are SO smart.

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MsAmerica · 28/02/2025 00:37

Playing Trump like a fiddle, knowing his weakness for flattery and star power. Starmer begins by presenting a letter of invitation from Charles III.

Donald Trump given letter from King Charles on Ukraine war with special 'unprecedented' invite
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/donald-trump-given-letter-from-king-charles-on-ukraine-war-with-special-unprecedented-invite/ar-AA1zVHbC

UK Prime Minister Starmer Presents Trump With An Invitation From King Charles For A State Visit: "This Is Really Special"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/02/27/uk_prime_minister_starmer_presents_trump_with_an_invitation_from_king_charles_for_a_state_visit_this_is_really_special.html

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CrushingOnRubies · 28/02/2025 10:08

It was a fantastic idea. Does it look like they're giving the invite to a Blue Peter competition winner? Absolutely. But Trump loves that sort of thing.

sparrowflewdown · 28/02/2025 10:07

Butterfly123456 · 28/02/2025 09:44

Come on people, it was absolutely embarrassing, almost cringey. I don't know what all the reporters were on about. S. touching T.'s shoulder on few occassions... I know he was intensely tutored for that meeting, but... yuck! And he didn't really get anything... he went there for Ukraine, he got nothing... vague promises of a quick trade deal, as if to say... leave Ukraine, we will make a good trade deal.

I think a FTA would be great for us, even if we spend it on pointless defence. I can see Putin firing a few aftershots to make Europe feel important.

I agree, we have nothing to offer apart from a base for US military, shared history and the monarchy, this is still something and Trump will keep us as an affable cousin, if we stay sweet.

godmum56 · 28/02/2025 10:05

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/02/2025 01:35

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when this was discussed between Starmer and Charles. I can just imagine the King saying "but do we really have to?", and the PM saying, "yes, your majesty, I'm afraid you do".

And then perhaps Camilla turning the air blue when she was informed! 😂

King Charles "well if its absolutely necessary......but he will NOT be getting the good biscuits or the best cups and saucers"

tallhotpinkflamingo · 28/02/2025 10:04

I think it should all be settled by a golf tournament. Whoever wins keeps everything.

Trump is very much the Queen of Hearts, so may as well play croquet.

Surf2Live · 28/02/2025 10:03

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2025 09:48

He’s managed to forget he called Zelenskyy a dictator so it’s not too much of a stretch. I’m delighted to see some statesmanship and pragmatism. It’s got to be kid gloves all the way to navigate the next four years.

I don't think he forgot. I think he just lies.

He's even on record saying that if you tell the same lie over and over, eventually people will believe it.

tallhotpinkflamingo · 28/02/2025 10:02

Janiie · 28/02/2025 09:35

Yes very amusing, the cringe factor was huge.

How embarrassing to watch our supposer leader bow and scrape with his silly letter.

KS looked like a rabbit in the headlights as always. Loved his wail 'but but we do have free speech in the UK we do!' When Vance had pointed out no, we don't.

Free speech doesn't actually exist anywhere, you can see that from the amount of sueing and blocking Musk is doing with anyone who he doesn't agree with.

UnderHisEeyore · 28/02/2025 10:02

user1471466513 · 28/02/2025 08:24

So, we have ended up paying for Ukraine's security and sending our soldiers to peacekeeping, while America walks away with Ukraine's rare minerals, and you think we've played him?

This. Where will Russia attack next that US can divide up and get paid for? Now we see why Russia paid for Trump and Brexit. We are the ones being played.

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 10:02

Wintersgirl · 28/02/2025 10:01

I too was relieved when I saw Macron in the White House, someone there to bring sense and normality to the madness that is Trump...

Yes Macron did well with Trump.

Wintersgirl · 28/02/2025 10:01

AutumnCrow2 · 28/02/2025 02:20

Yes; I thought Macron was actually quite impressive the other day.

I too was relieved when I saw Macron in the White House, someone there to bring sense and normality to the madness that is Trump...

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 10:00

Starmer did fine, he did what he had to do.
Handing the letter to Donald Trump reminded me of an uncle handing a gift to his young nephew.

Good that Starmer is working with Macron on this.

Donald Trump is not to be trusted though.

Biscuitsnotcookies · 28/02/2025 09:59

Trump has totally nailed this not the Brits! I am so embarrassed by this thread. Trump knows exactly what he is doing, and whilst he crushed Macron, he is a businessman and knows there is much more to gain by allowing the special relationship to continue… for now at least.

The congratulations lie with the Trump business strategists and not the innate intelligence of the British, Starmer did well to hold his nerve, I am not a fan of his at all, but he really kept it together under intense pressure. Credit where credit is due.

CoffeeCantata · 28/02/2025 09:55

HeddaGarbled · 28/02/2025 01:22

The soft power of the Royal family really does exist.

Sticks in the craw, though, doesn’t it?

100%

This is just one example I've seen over the years - it is a thing, and it is powerful - especially with some of the world's ...shall we say..less statesmanlike leaders.

EasternStandard · 28/02/2025 09:55

Butterfly123456 · 28/02/2025 09:44

Come on people, it was absolutely embarrassing, almost cringey. I don't know what all the reporters were on about. S. touching T.'s shoulder on few occassions... I know he was intensely tutored for that meeting, but... yuck! And he didn't really get anything... he went there for Ukraine, he got nothing... vague promises of a quick trade deal, as if to say... leave Ukraine, we will make a good trade deal.

I don't think he could have done much else Trump will have the cards no matter, so he played his part.

But the media excitement at it all and feeling we've won, that is a bit excruciating.

We might get some sort of FTA if Trump sees the advantage. It might be good for us but there's no doubt the deal winner is Trump for both deals.

Janiie · 28/02/2025 09:53

PandoraSox · 28/02/2025 09:49

I don't think anyone expected any deals to be made at that meeting. Yes it was a bit cringey, but I am not sure how else Starmer could have handled it? What do you think he should have done differently?

He couldn't have handled if differently, he's incapable. It's his body language his facial expressions everything. He looks like the desperate underdog desperately trying to impress.

I'm not a fan of the deputy pm but she'd have looked far more at ease. KS just does not have it.

NewMarmiteJar · 28/02/2025 09:53

Starmer has performed the ultimate diplomatic serve. Imagine Liz lettuce dealing with Trump. Or Rishi for that matter!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/02/2025 09:52

PandoraSox · 28/02/2025 09:49

I don't think anyone expected any deals to be made at that meeting. Yes it was a bit cringey, but I am not sure how else Starmer could have handled it? What do you think he should have done differently?

I think this is a good question for those who are criticising Starmer. What should he have done instead?

BettyBardMacDonald · 28/02/2025 09:50

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/02/2025 01:35

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when this was discussed between Starmer and Charles. I can just imagine the King saying "but do we really have to?", and the PM saying, "yes, your majesty, I'm afraid you do".

And then perhaps Camilla turning the air blue when she was informed! 😂

And who could blame her?

That sickening convicted criminal bloated lout should not be permitted on British soil.

PandoraSox · 28/02/2025 09:49

Butterfly123456 · 28/02/2025 09:44

Come on people, it was absolutely embarrassing, almost cringey. I don't know what all the reporters were on about. S. touching T.'s shoulder on few occassions... I know he was intensely tutored for that meeting, but... yuck! And he didn't really get anything... he went there for Ukraine, he got nothing... vague promises of a quick trade deal, as if to say... leave Ukraine, we will make a good trade deal.

I don't think anyone expected any deals to be made at that meeting. Yes it was a bit cringey, but I am not sure how else Starmer could have handled it? What do you think he should have done differently?

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2025 09:48

spuddy4 · 28/02/2025 04:17

Interesting how people perceive things differently. I saw it as an embarrassing, desperate move because Starmer knows Trump doesn't think much of the UK and the special relationship the two countries once had is long gone. I don't think for one moment Trump will forget the comments that various Labour MPs have made about him. It's just mind games and they are all playing each other.

He’s managed to forget he called Zelenskyy a dictator so it’s not too much of a stretch. I’m delighted to see some statesmanship and pragmatism. It’s got to be kid gloves all the way to navigate the next four years.

PandoraSox · 28/02/2025 09:46

I agree with @rummly and @MrsBennetsPoorNerves. Starmer did well, but what happens further down the line is key. It could all possibly come back to haunt him.

TodayIsTheGreatest · 28/02/2025 09:46

It’s painful like watching Wolf Hall. All the necessary flattering and managing of Trump, He is a disgusting would-be Henry the 8th figure who is totally unfit for democratic public office. He is aiming for king like absolute power and is led by whims and feud.
Yet Trump is who large sections of America wanted, and so we have to deal with him. As a lesson in practical diplomacy it was really well done. I would be absolutely fascinated if the royal houses of Europe got together and somehow saved the day in this situation together. If Trump could be invited to endless royal jaunts he could be kept away from causing as much trouble for four years?

Butterfly123456 · 28/02/2025 09:44

Come on people, it was absolutely embarrassing, almost cringey. I don't know what all the reporters were on about. S. touching T.'s shoulder on few occassions... I know he was intensely tutored for that meeting, but... yuck! And he didn't really get anything... he went there for Ukraine, he got nothing... vague promises of a quick trade deal, as if to say... leave Ukraine, we will make a good trade deal.

Wildflowers99 · 28/02/2025 09:43

I don’t think Trump is being ‘played like a fiddle’, but I think Starmer has played on his weak spot as Trump seems to have genuine affection and respect for the Royals and his Scottish ancestry. I can see the letter invites him to Balmoral, which is a stroke of genius really. He’ll enjoy a big pomp as splendour state visit, complete with bagpipes and some kind of history/roots tour. I don’t think he cares for Starmer but the letter was his shield and Trump wasn’t going to batter it.

I think this needs to be a lesson to Labour never, ever to interfere in a US election ever again. It was a disastrously stupid move that is now taking some serious diplomacy to row back from and has put us on the back foot.

Notonthestairs · 28/02/2025 09:42

Trump's UK based businesses are in Scotland. He is brokering deals for his golf courses from the White House (reps from PGA and Saudi wealth fund visited recently). A visit to Balmoral fits.

GivememyowlbackSandra · 28/02/2025 09:38

This is how Putin got Trump's attention in the first place, he would have played to his shallow need for admiration. Starmer is paying Trump like a fiddle and it's embarrassing that Trump doesn't realise it. Diplomacy and soft skills at it's best, that is until someone else throws something shiny in front of Donald's face and he's distracted again. It's like a todder is in charge of the USA........
Plus, if the initial invite is to Balmoral, it is much easier to manage crowds/protesters.