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Reform - we knew it, right?

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nearlylovemyusername · 24/02/2025 16:11

Ex-leader of Reform in Wales accused of taking bribes for pro-Russia messages

" The former leader of Reform UK in Wales appeared in court on Monday accused of accepting bribes in exchange for making statements in the European parliament that would benefit Russia.
Nathan Gill is facing eight counts of bribery and one of conspiracy to commit bribery. The court heard he allegedly received money from former Ukrainian politician Oleg Voloshyn to make statements about events in the country that were supportive of Russia’s narrative, according to the Press Association.
His comments in the European parliament and in articles written for news outlets were “supportive of a particular narrative” that would “benefit Russia regarding events in Ukraine”, the court heard. His media appearances included 112 Ukraine, a pro-Russian channel that was banned by Ukraine in 2021."

I don't understand why it's not on front pages of all accessible news outlets, esp given developments in US.

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Maitri108 · 02/03/2025 18:43

DeadSpace3 · 02/03/2025 18:28

It's not the "far right" that's destabilising UK/EU. Over the last decade, how many bombings, stabbings etc were down to the "far right"? How many "far right" immigrants have come to UK/EU for a free ride? Now compare that to Islam. Case closed.

Party memberships:

  1. Labour - 390k
  2. Reform - 219k
  3. Conservatives - 132k
  4. LibDems - 90k

Reform have nearly as many members as the Conservatives and LibDems combined, and that's without 1 single TV channel supporting them. Whether you agree with them or not, and I certainly don't agree with everything they say, there's a lot of people who support them. The Conservatives have lost 40k members since 2022 - but that's eclipsed by Labour who've lost 40k members since the last election! Reform as less far right than Labour are far left, they just don't have MSM such as The Guardian and the BBC spewing propaganda out for them.

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I'm assuming you're a Reform voter and therefore snigger behind your hand when it's accused of being far right.

You probably think supporting Putin is a sign of strength and banging on about Islam is only 'rational'.

I assume you don't read the news but if you look around at what's happening in the world; the rise of the far right in Europe and what's going on in the States, it may give you pause.

You can throw membership stats around, they mean nothing. Reform won a few seats in Parliament. They're not the political juggernaut you think they are.

It's all a bit desperate and sad to want a workshy spiv running the country but here we are.

DeadSpace3 · 02/03/2025 18:28

Maitri108 · 24/02/2025 16:48

Farage has been saying for years that he admires Putin and he's very supportive of Trump.

I'm not saying that all Reform voters are far right but they're currently the party of the far right.

There's a lot of money being put into the far right agenda in Europe which is destabilising the West.

It's not the "far right" that's destabilising UK/EU. Over the last decade, how many bombings, stabbings etc were down to the "far right"? How many "far right" immigrants have come to UK/EU for a free ride? Now compare that to Islam. Case closed.

Party memberships:

  1. Labour - 390k
  2. Reform - 219k
  3. Conservatives - 132k
  4. LibDems - 90k

Reform have nearly as many members as the Conservatives and LibDems combined, and that's without 1 single TV channel supporting them. Whether you agree with them or not, and I certainly don't agree with everything they say, there's a lot of people who support them. The Conservatives have lost 40k members since 2022 - but that's eclipsed by Labour who've lost 40k members since the last election! Reform as less far right than Labour are far left, they just don't have MSM such as The Guardian and the BBC spewing propaganda out for them.

HelenaWaiting · 02/03/2025 10:45

yellowspanner · 27/02/2025 20:12

I support Reform and I don't think Putin or Trump are our last hope.
Stop generalising

So you want rid of universal health care? The imposition of a flat-rate tax system? Have you actually read Reform's manifesto?

yellowspanner · 27/02/2025 20:12

I support Reform and I don't think Putin or Trump are our last hope.
Stop generalising

StandFirm · 27/02/2025 15:48

Yeah... Reform/MAGA same difference. They all think Putin and his chum Trump are the white man's last hope.

Circularmadness · 27/02/2025 13:47

Kendodd · 26/02/2025 18:25

Anyway, they could plaster this all over the news, it wouldn't make a difference. Nigel Farage could fly to Moscow to be given a medal by Putin for services to Russia, then back home to his cheering Reform supporters. He wouldn't lose a single voter.

Absolutely this!! Reform and Maga are super indoctrinated, it’s cult like. For example when you look at the supposed “patriots”‘ in the “land of the free” happily aligning themselves with a totalitarian country that rules by fear and propaganda and terminates anyone who dissents. They are driven by hatred, their hate is stronger than their principles. This is fuelled by constant social media propaganda, whipping up hate and division. Whilst they seem like a joke, we mustn’t be complacent about Reform. They have billionaires backing them who control the press and social media and have armies of bots manipulating and spewing forth propaganda.

Alexandra2001 · 27/02/2025 07:06

MikeRafone · 27/02/2025 06:56

Boris wasn’t really up for Brexit, it was an opportunity. Publicly he may well back anything, but that not necessarily what he thinks

Yes and he caused huge damage to the UK in doing so, what does that make him?
I can have some respect for a genuine brexitier but what Bojo did was criminal.

But does that make him a Putin stooge, maybe, certainly a useful idiot.

MikeRafone · 27/02/2025 06:56

TheNuthatch · 26/02/2025 07:38

I think the accusations of Johnson being some kind of Putin puppet need to stop. He may have made some mistakes in the past, but his unwavering support for Ukraine continues to this day. He was one of the first to step forward and support Ukraine.

Boris wasn’t really up for Brexit, it was an opportunity. Publicly he may well back anything, but that not necessarily what he thinks

MikeRafone · 27/02/2025 06:43

nearlylovemyusername · 24/02/2025 16:11

Ex-leader of Reform in Wales accused of taking bribes for pro-Russia messages

" The former leader of Reform UK in Wales appeared in court on Monday accused of accepting bribes in exchange for making statements in the European parliament that would benefit Russia.
Nathan Gill is facing eight counts of bribery and one of conspiracy to commit bribery. The court heard he allegedly received money from former Ukrainian politician Oleg Voloshyn to make statements about events in the country that were supportive of Russia’s narrative, according to the Press Association.
His comments in the European parliament and in articles written for news outlets were “supportive of a particular narrative” that would “benefit Russia regarding events in Ukraine”, the court heard. His media appearances included 112 Ukraine, a pro-Russian channel that was banned by Ukraine in 2021."

I don't understand why it's not on front pages of all accessible news outlets, esp given developments in US.

The press is right wing, its benefits them greatly to have a right wing government.

PandoraSox · 27/02/2025 06:42

TemporaryPosition · 27/02/2025 00:02

Thats fine, but don't complain about the quality of discourse when you're helping them to drag it down. I don't like it when people make nasty remarks about female politicians appearances, even when I disagree with the politics of their target. There's nothing gained by getting into the gutter

It is odd how you are so concerned about me calling Farage a silly, childish name.

He is an absolutely vile and dangerous man whose discourse stirs up hatred and division. I would say he is in the gutter, but that would be an insult to gutters.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/02/2025 00:06

TemporaryPosition · 27/02/2025 00:02

Thats fine, but don't complain about the quality of discourse when you're helping them to drag it down. I don't like it when people make nasty remarks about female politicians appearances, even when I disagree with the politics of their target. There's nothing gained by getting into the gutter

You should tell that to Farage then. Odd that you're holding Mumnetters to a higher standard than the leader of the party you voted for.Hmm

TemporaryPosition · 27/02/2025 00:02

PandoraSox · 26/02/2025 21:48

I call most politicians by their proper names most of the time. Farage, however, is a repellent stain on British politics who has caused damage to the UK and spread terrible discord.

Calling him old fag breath is pretty polite, tbh. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, I can live with that.

Thats fine, but don't complain about the quality of discourse when you're helping them to drag it down. I don't like it when people make nasty remarks about female politicians appearances, even when I disagree with the politics of their target. There's nothing gained by getting into the gutter

PandoraSox · 26/02/2025 21:48

TemporaryPosition · 26/02/2025 21:33

I appreciate you don't like certain people, but is it really worth stopping to the level of juvenile personal insults like that? Surely those sorts of remarks are a worse reflection of the person who makes them than those they are aimed at. There are plenty of valid remarks to make about their policies, statements and actions without having to resort to personal insults. I get you don't like him, but surely if we want better politics we need to do better than this.

I call most politicians by their proper names most of the time. Farage, however, is a repellent stain on British politics who has caused damage to the UK and spread terrible discord.

Calling him old fag breath is pretty polite, tbh. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, I can live with that.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 26/02/2025 21:36

TemporaryPosition · 26/02/2025 21:33

I appreciate you don't like certain people, but is it really worth stopping to the level of juvenile personal insults like that? Surely those sorts of remarks are a worse reflection of the person who makes them than those they are aimed at. There are plenty of valid remarks to make about their policies, statements and actions without having to resort to personal insults. I get you don't like him, but surely if we want better politics we need to do better than this.

Ooh, the Tone Police have arrived. Women Be Kind!😆😆😆

TemporaryPosition · 26/02/2025 21:35

Kendodd · 26/02/2025 18:25

Anyway, they could plaster this all over the news, it wouldn't make a difference. Nigel Farage could fly to Moscow to be given a medal by Putin for services to Russia, then back home to his cheering Reform supporters. He wouldn't lose a single voter.

I think this is largely the case.

TemporaryPosition · 26/02/2025 21:33

PandoraSox · 24/02/2025 16:18

Old fag breath is the only leader not to make a statement about the anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine today.

Funny that, innit?

I appreciate you don't like certain people, but is it really worth stopping to the level of juvenile personal insults like that? Surely those sorts of remarks are a worse reflection of the person who makes them than those they are aimed at. There are plenty of valid remarks to make about their policies, statements and actions without having to resort to personal insults. I get you don't like him, but surely if we want better politics we need to do better than this.

Kendodd · 26/02/2025 18:26

Likewise Trump

Kendodd · 26/02/2025 18:25

Anyway, they could plaster this all over the news, it wouldn't make a difference. Nigel Farage could fly to Moscow to be given a medal by Putin for services to Russia, then back home to his cheering Reform supporters. He wouldn't lose a single voter.

travellinglighter · 26/02/2025 18:09

TheNuthatch · 26/02/2025 09:09

So you are now condemning Johnson for not being a Russian sympathiser? Explain how that is a bad thing?

If you support Ukraine, you should at least be capable of affording Johnson some credit for his stance on this issue.

No, I think he is a Russian sympathiser who was bought and paid for but didn’t stay bought.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/02/2025 13:51

DuncinToffee · 26/02/2025 10:27

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/26/nigel-farage-donations-42000-us-trip-elon-musk-gold-bullion/

Farage has now declared that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for flights from Teterboro in New Jersey to Palm Beach where Farage met with Musk

Dodgy as fuck!

TheNuthatch · 26/02/2025 10:51

At least Scottish Labour MP Gimmel paid for his own flight to Trump's inauguration.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-mp-flew-donald-34727765?int_source=nba

DuncinToffee · 26/02/2025 10:27

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/26/nigel-farage-donations-42000-us-trip-elon-musk-gold-bullion/

Farage has now declared that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for flights from Teterboro in New Jersey to Palm Beach where Farage met with Musk

BIossomtoes · 26/02/2025 10:23

GlobeTrotter2000 · 26/02/2025 09:31

To All,

Reform are top of the Polls. As per Talkinpeace, polls are reliable.

Over and out.

This is what the polls looked like four years before the last election. That all went well, didn’t it? Polls now mean absolutely nothing, they couldn’t be less relevant.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/28809-voting-intention-con-52-lab-28-1-2-apr

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/02/2025 10:13

Weefreetiffany · 26/02/2025 09:37

Uff that derail was too easy. Lets focus on the outrageous treason please.

I don't think the people here care that much about treason, or don't know what it means. Farage has been at Putin's heel for years.🙄

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