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Radicalisation of older people

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colinthedogfromaccounts · 19/02/2025 22:37

My dad (late 70s) has gone full gangster conspiracy theorist. His long list of increasingly radical beliefs include:

Chemtrails control us
WHO created the pandemic
The EU is evil.
Big pharma is poisoning us (he has given up all his life saving meds)
Vaccinations are a control mechanism
Bill Gates is responsible for the weather
The Democrats wanted world war
Gaza is not real - it's all made up to persecute the Jews

The list goes on. My worry is that this radicalisation is putting his health at risk, so I would like to really understand the psychology to approach this with as much evidence as possible.

Sources are sketchy online (specifically relating to how and why older people become radicalised) - wondering if anybody has any research based insights into this.

OP posts:
MurdoMunro · 20/02/2025 16:32

I do understand. Both my dad and my father in law turned from being relaxed ‘centrists’ to noisy racists and conspiracy dabblers in their 60s. Thankfully mum and mother-in-law have stayed pretty true to their younger selves (they’re in their 80’s). I don’t agree with all their ideas about things but at least there is a consistency to their beliefs and they don’t feel the need to dominate every conversation with be-all-and-end-all opinions. They are both happy to accept that there are other experiences to bring to bear.

The Daily Mail was definitely a factor. I think also what other people have said too, they started to feel vulnerable, their status a head of the family was diminishing, they needed to blame other people for things not turning out the way they expected to be. They both became very angry in general, developed hairline triggers for kicking off.

justasking111 · 20/02/2025 16:28

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:48

@justasking111 I've copied for you but the just is boomers clicking & believing AI slop.

Unsurprisingly it hasn't got that many comments and the top comments are "boomers invented the internet" & "we used computers in the 60s" etc

Thanks for this it is interesting. I think the crocodile popped upi on my social media I scrolled past. But it's blooming clever

User32459 · 20/02/2025 16:28

Depends on the person but the older generation have been radicalised since Rueprt Murdoch took control of our media. Now it's just social media.

murasaki · 20/02/2025 16:20

@UnderHisEeyore , thanks, yes, it could be that.

murasaki · 20/02/2025 16:19

As I said in my other posts, he's trying to fill the silence in his house. His wife was a chatty woman, knew everyone, it took her 30 minutes to get to the shop 5 minutes away, friends with everyone (as evidenced by her funeral turnout where they couldn't all fit in the crem) and that has kind of gone now, and he fills his space and silence with GB news . Its desperately sad but neither DP, his sister or me and her partner know what to do. We try not to upset him but do have to gently call what is turning into racism out.

UnderHisEeyore · 20/02/2025 16:18

@murasaki when people feel life isn't under control - often comes as a shock that people close to them die and brings their own death into sharp focus - they can turn to authoritarian structured news and powers as a way to keep continuity. It is why so many who flip out and murder/do mass shootings etc are radicalised by the far right who like authoritarianism. If you are weak (having suffered abuse or loss or a poor childhood for example) someone else taking the reigns feels great! They easily convince people who are desperate for stability their views are the only option required, making their life very easy again all of a sudden.

murasaki · 20/02/2025 16:15

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 20/02/2025 16:06

He’s lonely, and probably grieving.

Yes, we know that, so hence are trying to deflect his conversations in a joking way.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 20/02/2025 16:06

murasaki · 19/02/2025 23:27

My DP's dad has turned in a similar way, notably since his wife died. He's taking all his info from GB news. He's sad so we don't push it too much but do stop conversations and jokingly tell him that other news is also available but don't know what to do. He wasn't like this a year ago.

He’s lonely, and probably grieving.

cheezncrackers · 20/02/2025 16:05

Is your Dad okay OP? I think if this is a big departure from his normal, rational way of thinking then I'd be having a quiet word with his GP to call him in for a check up. Of course, some people who are supposedly in their right minds think like this, but which is it?

StMarie4me · 20/02/2025 16:02

Brefugee · 19/02/2025 23:09

Oh goody. On the day it is revealed that the UK is an absolute hotbed for it, up pops yet another ageist thread.
Slow handclap

This is a reality though. It's actually happening.

It's people sat at home watching all the crap on daytime TV, and believing all the fake news that's fed to them in Social Media.

A lot of whom are retired, or unemployed. Mi know quite a few. It's terrifying tbh.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:53

@UnderHisEeyore fair point

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:52

just should have been gist!

UnderHisEeyore · 20/02/2025 15:51

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:48

@justasking111 I've copied for you but the just is boomers clicking & believing AI slop.

Unsurprisingly it hasn't got that many comments and the top comments are "boomers invented the internet" & "we used computers in the 60s" etc

It is depressing that they also clearly control the exam boards for computer science were you are now learning content already 5 years out of date at the start of your degree course. Why 12 year olds have to learn so much about Babbage and the computers that used to take up whole rooms, rather than AI is beyond me.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:48

@justasking111 I've copied for you but the just is boomers clicking & believing AI slop.

Unsurprisingly it hasn't got that many comments and the top comments are "boomers invented the internet" & "we used computers in the 60s" etc

UnderHisEeyore · 20/02/2025 15:46

There is an episode of "Cause of Death" where the deceased had decided not to have the vaccination (because it was all un-researched poison) and had instead taken a host of pills he ordered online from India which had varying contents and were completely un-controlled.

You do have to wonder if Darwin had a point.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:46

This week I watched a video of an attractive woman strutting down a street in slow motion. At her side was a muscular, humanoid crocodile more than twice her height, wearing a suit and swaggering on his hind legs.
The video was hypnotic, strangely beautiful and, at least to someone of my generation, very clearly made by Artificial Intelligence (AIAI*_).
Most extraordinary of all, though, wasn't the content – but the comments the footage attracted. 'Isn't it dangerous to have that as a pet?' scoffed one awestruck user. 'Dressing animals up in human clothes is just cruel,' insisted another. Summarising the confusion was one bemused person who asked: 'Is this real?'
I didn't need to click on the profile pictures of those commenters to know that they almost certainly remembered pagers, dial-up mobiles and fax machines.
Yes, they were all Boomers: born between 1946 and 1964 when AI was only a science-fiction premise. The sudden deluge of this computer-generated content has left them questioning the foundations of reality – and many are very, very confused.
Content such as the crocodile bodyguard is often dismissively referred to as 'AI slop'. This conjures images of pig food overflowing from troughs for hungry hogs to snort at – which feels like the perfect metaphor for the internet.

Nowadays, 'slop' is the name given to AI-generated pictures and videos, often poor-quality and widely shared on social media. It is becoming increasingly ubiquitous – and taking Boomers for fools.
Certain themes seem to do the rounds. There's 'pity slop', which often takes the form of distraught people sobbing over some heartbreaking situation.
A 50-year-old woman claiming to have 'no husband, no children' weeps as she blows out the candles on a birthday cake she baked herself. Or a young girl cries on a refugee boat as she cradles a cute puppy.
Then there's 'religious slop' – unearthed skeletons of supposed angels or images of Jesus carrying a giant prawn in the sea.

Or take 'celebrity slop': a fake image of billionaire Elon Musk comforting a sobbing Starbucks cashier who 'can't afford a gift' for her daughter – or last week's AI video of Jewish celebrities, including Scarlett Johansson, giving the middle finger to rapper Kanye West after he went on an anti-Semitic tirade on social media.
Some are completely bizarre: an old lady sitting in a shoe she supposedly knitted herself; a young boy carving an intricate monkey into a tree trunk; a baker creating a full-sized horse out of bread.
There's huge variety – but they all have one thing in common. They're catnip for clicks – especially from Boomers.
The over-60s are not responsible for creating this rubbish but they're still to blame. Because they can't stop clicking on it, they cause the slop to go viral. The more 'engagement', the more the algorithms spread the images widely.
Should we be surprised? This is the same demographic who, during email's heyday, would forward a chain to 12 people to avoid a 'curse' on their family or believe a message from a 'Nigerian prince' was genuine.
Even the over-50s have been pulled in – just look at the 53-year-old Frenchwoman who was convinced that Brad Pitt had fallen in love with her on social media but needed £700,000 to deal with 'cancer treatment'.
In time, perhaps this content will go the same way as spam mail. At one point it felt like email was going to become unusable because of all the junk, until new software caught up and began efficiently removing it.
However this won't happen any time soon if gullible Boomers keep sharing the slop – not helped by social media sites such as Facebook whose algorithms were last year found to be boosting these AI-generated posts.
It's easy for me as a technologically-literate millennial to scoff, but even I know how convincing some of this slop is. It's also improving at a terrifying rate – so much so that some images are increasingly indiscernible from real ones.
Just a few months ago, you could look at someone's hands in a picture and know if it was doctored because AI couldn't quite master four fingers and a thumb. But even this gauge is now outdated.
But while we can all excuse some confusion, what I don't understand is some Boomers' lack of context clues. If you see a video of an elephant that fits into someone's palm, an entire house made from aquariums or a skydiving camel, do you really need to ask if it's real?
Where are these Boomers' common sense filters? Do they weaken with your bones, stored somewhere in the cartilage of your hip joints? It's amazing that these images can be created at all – I certainly have no idea how it's done – but I don't need to understand the technology to know that a photo of chickens on Mars probably isn't real.
Even the most famous Boomer on the planet, 78-year-old Donald Trump, isn't immune. Last year, he shared AI-generated images of Taylor Swift fans endorsing him for US President – prompting the pop star to reveal she was a Democrat.
While there are all sorts of scary ramifications for AI, right now I'm focused on two things: the internet becoming flooded with this garbage and Boomers becoming desensitised to feats that are truly impressive.
No craft project will ever be as spectacular as the giant crocheted tank they saw online; no missing child as cute as the one with eyes twice the normal size. And how will they ever be amazed by a magic trick after being awed by the doctored video that showed two contestants on talent show Britain's Got Talent transform into flying swans?
I'm sure that one day, when my crow's feet deepen and my hair thins, I too will be discombobulated by some technological advancement.

Perhaps I'll chat on the phone for hours with a scammer who tells me he's a talking porpoise, or be tricked by a hologram of a non-existent celebrity.

When that happens I expect to be mercilessly mocked by Generation Alpha below me. But, until then, my message to all internet hogs is this: Stop chowing down this slop.

murasaki · 20/02/2025 15:45

justasking111 · 20/02/2025 15:39

Tried half a dozen times. They're too smart for me.

I just tried a random telegraph article akd it worked , but I'm on a Samsung and my switch to airplane is a swipe down from the top so easy to do quickly, not via settings etc.

godmum56 · 20/02/2025 15:41

colinthedogfromaccounts · 20/02/2025 13:25

Eh? Not at all ageist - this change has happened in the past two years. My parents are old.

and yet look at your post title

justasking111 · 20/02/2025 15:39

Tried half a dozen times. They're too smart for me.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:33

@murasaki & you have to do it really quick, sometimes takes a couple of go's.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:32

Sorry I meant turn off wifi on your mobile phone so you are just on mobile data. On my apple phone, I have to do that first.

murasaki · 20/02/2025 15:32

Just turn off WiFi on your phone, click the article using your data, then quickly put airplane mode on.

I think.

justasking111 · 20/02/2025 15:30

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:23

@justasking111 you can read these and telegraph, not the Times by clicking on the article & quickly putting on airplane mode (turn off wifi first).

I have to turn off the router first?

justasking111 · 20/02/2025 15:29

"Conspiracy craze: why 12 million Americans believe alien lizards rule us | Health & wellbeing | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/07/conspiracy-theory-paranoia-aliens-illuminati-beyonce-vaccines-cliven-bundy-jfk

Interesting well written article

trainermush · 20/02/2025 15:23

@justasking111 you can read these and telegraph, not the Times by clicking on the article & quickly putting on airplane mode (turn off wifi first).