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Peter Hyman: how you can beat populism and the seven deadly sins of the Left

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Tryingtokeepgoing · 26/01/2025 22:24

Peter Hyman was an advisor to Blair, and was then brought back to steer Starmer’s campaign as well. In article in The New European (editor one Alistair Cameron) that, presumably, is intended to be thought provoking to the left, but which is of no surprise to those of us looking a things through a wider lens, he succinctly summarises where liberal/centre left/right political is at, without resorting to taunts of “far right” and ‘“Tory bo t”, so I thought perhaps it might spark a more centre/liberal debate than has otherwise been the case on MN recently. Some of those of a left leaning inclination might like to reflect on his analysis of their ‘waves of superiority’ and why they are flawed:

The tagline - “Stop shouting about how appalled we are by Trump and Farage and learn from our mistakes, to build our own disruptive new agenda of change, respect for ordinary people and pride in our country” sums it up neatly.

But first part of the article is pasted below as the New European is behind a paywall.

2025 is the year of Donald Trump’s return. It must also be the year of our fightback. But first, let’s step back. We are to blame for Trump. We created him. We gave him, and other far right populists, the space to manoeuvre and the mistakes to exploit.

We couldn’t beat someone with 34 felonies, who called all Mexicans rapists, who encouraged an insurrection, was called Hitler by his vice president and deemed unfit for office by almost every senior person who worked for him. We are the reason he is becoming president on January 20 – for the second time.

It is our collective failure – we, the progressives, the centrists, the remainers, the political elites. It’s look-in-the-mirror time. Cold water to the face time. Enter the I’m A Celebrity… jungle and eat a kangaroo’s penis time.

We have been asleep at the wheel while the populists have dusted off their megaphones, fine-tuned their algorithms, and got to work exploiting the gaping chinks in our armour. Yet somehow, we are undeterred. We are still surfing wave after wave of superiority, each one propelling us forward to the promised land of political oblivion.

The first wave is to denounce the far right populist as a monster; worse, a fascist – “he’s a threat to democracy”. “Surely this must disqualify him?”

The second wave is to be shocked that the “fascist” has won – “why are people so stupid?” “Can’t they see he is a con man?”

The third wave is to wrap ourselves in the smug embrace of a certainty – populists never have solutions, they thrive on grievances, not answers. “Mark my words, it will all go wrong very quickly.”

Just as with Brexit, nine years on, we comfort ourselves in being proved right usually well after we’ve lost the real battle and the damage has already been done.

Trump is the wake-up call that liberal democracy has needed. But it’s not the first. We’ve had the wake-up call of Brexit. Viktor Orbán in Hungary. Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil. Giorgia Meloni in Italy. Coming soon, Marine Le Pen in France? The AfD in Germany? Perhaps even Nigel Farage in Britain?

Wake-up call after wake-up call. Yet we are still sleeping through the alarm, turning over and pressing the snooze button. We saw the storm too late; the world changed, and the centrists were left shouting “democratic norms” while the populists went viral.

In summary, according to his article, the Seven Deadly Sins of the Left are:

(1) It is patronising
(2) it is complacent
(3) it is too abstract
(4) its is censorious
(5) it is gullible
(6) its is conservative (small ‘c’)
(7) it is bland

Which begs the question, if their advisors know that, and why the public don’t like it, and how they’ve been outwitted, why aren’t they being advised better?

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/how-you-can-beat-populism-peter-hyman/

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/how-you-can-beat-populism-peter-hyman

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Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/01/2025 10:28

midgetastic · 27/01/2025 16:44

We don't always need disrupters - I wonder if in fact we generally would do better without disrupters / well it's a balance - not too much and not too little

And I think we need to separate what the political elite might be thinking and what the lefties on the street see - certainly Brexit was a great example of that disconnect

Indeed - Brexit is a great example. The left / far left metropolitan politicians have convinced themselves that brexit was a right wing construct, but the reality is most of not all of what were called the ‘red wall’ voters were pro, or at least not anti, brexit. And, at one level have done very well out of it. Look at how hard it is to find and how much it now costs to get a plumber / electrician / builder. And look at the machinations in some posts here at how they shouldn’t charge that much…they don’t even have a degree ☺️

But I think society does need disruptors, and we do need to challenge the reach of the state, and the way in which it operates. There’s a danger when it becomes so far removed from the rest of society and its purpose becomes just to exist. Look at how it’s almost impossible to have intelligent or informed debate around the NHS - the purpose of which ought to be to provide good quality healthcare in a cost effective manner. But its purpose is now just to be the NHS first and foremost. Patient outcomes are secondary, if that.

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midgetastic · 27/01/2025 16:44

We don't always need disrupters - I wonder if in fact we generally would do better without disrupters / well it's a balance - not too much and not too little

And I think we need to separate what the political elite might be thinking and what the lefties on the street see - certainly Brexit was a great example of that disconnect

derxa · 27/01/2025 16:41

Extremely interesting OP. The seven deadly sins explanatory paragraphs articulate a lot of what I believe. If you point any of this out on any political thread you are immediately accused of being a Tory bot or worse.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/01/2025 16:20

midgetastic · 27/01/2025 13:21

I think it's quite hard as there is an honesty that the right tend to ignore

They tell endless lies , they allow people to believe stuff that isn't true , just think about brexit and the left is always on the back foot because you have no idea what lie you will have to fight against. There is one(ish) truth and a million possible lies. People believe the first thing they hear

The accusations of the left - gullible, patronising we could equally say are true of the right. I am pig sick of the "common sense man" Pontificating at me

Bland I actually think should be seems as a compliment in politics - boris was anything but bland ,

The problem with the one-ish truth and how to respond to lies (or views that one doesn’t agree with / aren’t substantiated) is perhaps picked up by Peter’s complacency ‘sin’.

It’s pretty clear that from a Brexit perspective that the metropolitan / political / educated ‘elite’ primarily assumed that no one would actually vote for Brexit, and that therefore their ‘view’, being the right one , would prevail. As a result no one actually ran a compelling ‘remain’ campaign. Not only did they assume that they’d win (complacency) they didn’t, in the main, want to challenge the old established party political institutions (conservative, with a small ‘c’) and therefore there was limited cross party pulling together on a remain campaign. That made it easier for a vocal, populist campaign to gain traction, because let’s be clear there were swathes of the lower / working classes that hadn’t really seen many benefits of being in the EU, or at least had them explained to them, and a ‘leave’ vote would never happen.

As for bland, I’m not so sure. Yes, Johnson was at one extreme not at all bland, and Starmer is at the other, being extremely bland. And there are times for bland. But I think Blair and Thatcher were successful centre left / centre right politicians who weren’t bland. They did have a vision, and were, each in their own way, disruptors of the status quo, which is the role that Trump and Farage have now claimed as theirs it seems.

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lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 13:45

I agree with the author.

The left has to change it's approach. It's losing votes as a result of these things.

Mittens67 · 27/01/2025 13:40

Great thread and @PerkingFaintly I have bookmarked your post as it summed things up so well for me, thank you

midgetastic · 27/01/2025 13:21

I think it's quite hard as there is an honesty that the right tend to ignore

They tell endless lies , they allow people to believe stuff that isn't true , just think about brexit and the left is always on the back foot because you have no idea what lie you will have to fight against. There is one(ish) truth and a million possible lies. People believe the first thing they hear

The accusations of the left - gullible, patronising we could equally say are true of the right. I am pig sick of the "common sense man" Pontificating at me

Bland I actually think should be seems as a compliment in politics - boris was anything but bland ,

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/01/2025 12:59

@PerkingFaintly sorry about the paywall. I’ll quote the full ‘seven sins’ bit below.

But to @Diomi point, yes, populism isn’t the preserve of the right. They just seem better (if that’s the word) at this moment at connecting with that part of the electorate in much of Europe, the US and the UK that feels it’s not being heard than the centre right / left / far left, and I think some self reflection on what Hyman sees at the sins highlight why. Bluntly, the self named political ‘elite’ and well meaning left/centrists are not as clever as they think they are?

So, in the spirit of looking in the mirror, it’s time to be blunt about why we are failing to stop the populists, outline the seven deadly sins of us, the “sensible people” – and vow in 2025 to banish them to the dustbin of history.

This is how we are seen:

1. Patronising: We believe we are the clever ones. With our university degrees, metropolitan lives, greater expertise. From the comfort of knowing that money is coming through the door at regular intervals, we look down on those who are not living by our rules.

2. Complacent: We believe that the logic of our position will win out in the end, that people will see the light, and emotional appeals are slightly grubby. Yet, that rational appeal falls on deaf ears, if trust is low and you have not made a connection.

3. Abstract: The populists speak in direct terms; too often we speak in riddles. We are systems thinkers, which is good for solving problems, but when we communicate, A plus B rarely equals C.

4. Censorious: We are the thought police. We cancel those who fall short of the right kind of virtue signalling or who refuse to go along with our latest linguistic contortions. We are in the shame game, and people don’t like being shamed.

5. Gullible: We are suckers for the bait. We stop to examine every turd a Trump (or a wannabe Trump) drops on the sidewalk. Every wind-up remark, anti-woke sentiment, sexual innuendo. We do more than that. We crowd around the turd, pick it up, sniff it, debate it. We lose focus, get diverted, stop connecting to the people we want to serve, meander away from the mainstream. Meanwhile, the populist is marching forward with the smirk of someone who knows he’s got one over on us yet again.

6. Conservative: We win when we are the agents of change and when we shape the future. Yet, we have a caution born of fear – of the far right, of the far left, of the media, of failing. But too often we get boxed into defending institutions that aren’t working, giving away the mantle of change too easily, allowing others to become the disruptors on behalf of the people we once served.

7. Bland: In a world of entertainment, we do not surprise, amuse, anger, excite, charm. Our range of emotions starts at earnest and ends at sincere. We are the TikTok of an antique carriage clock, not the viral clip. And no, asking a teenager to add some sparkle to our social media pages will not work if the content remains bland.

These seven deadly sins are a barrier between us and the electorate. We are the ones who have built a wall.

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BeethovenNinth · 27/01/2025 07:22

I would add another to the list - it’s snobbish. Sneeringly intellectual whilst failing every time that most people are decent and hard working and want a better life for their kids.

SleepDeprivedElf · 27/01/2025 07:19

I agree that some stock taking us seriously in order, but I also agree with the PP above that we didn’t create Trump. Biden’s failure to step down certainly did help though.

I guess I am at a loss for some of the sins. It’s always just going to be easier to lie and say ‘if climate change is real it’s not a big deal’ than ‘we need to spend money to transition away from fossil fuels which will be costly and you’ll need to do things differently’. How do you fight the lies?

I also think what’s different this time is the insane financial support from incumbent industries that are against change and fighting like hell, the fossil industry in the US election are funding populists prepared to lie and the tech industry doesn’t want to be broken up via regulation and are using their vast funds to shape politics too. Another sin of the left is not to be aligned with oligarch interests?

Diomi · 27/01/2025 07:07

Populism isn’t a preserve of the right. I have lived in countries with left wing populist governments. They are much like the right wing lot, just with slightly different targets for their nastiness.

I think most people vote for what they think will be best for them financially. I suspect it was people’s grocery bills that led a lot of people to vote for Trump. He will have attracted a lot of votes, not because they are stupid or particularly like his views, but because they are being pragmatic and think there is a chance they will be better off with Trump as president.

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 23:11

This is a really good article and reminds me somewhat of the Jonathan Pie video on Trump:

But in answer to your question:

"Which begs the question, if their advisors know that, and why the public don’t like it, and how they’ve been outwitted, why aren’t they being advised better?"

The reason is that the advisors either don't know this or that no one wants to admit to the "seven sins".

Far easier to carry on describing supporters of the right as thick, bigoted and racist which those in the echo chamber will agree with you on. Heaven forbid that you raise these "seven sins" for fear of being labelled right wing, thick or racist for doing so.

PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2025 23:05

Thanks for posting. That's interesting.

Unfortunately I would add an (8) to that list: it blames itself for the actions of others.

And this author does that too.

Given the others are very quick to blame the Left for their own actions, this leaves quite the responsibility deficit.

One of the laws of misogyny is that, whatever men do, it's women's fault. It dawned on me a while ago that the same dynamic is at work in current times, that whatever the Right does, it's the Left's fault.

It's one of those things you can't unsee.

As women, we have to the balance things we do to try to keep ourselves safe (not going out alone at night, appeasing the scary man in front of us, etc), with the knowledge that men's violence is their doing not ours, we didn't cause it, we can't control it, and we can't cure. And the same is true in the political arena.

So while I agree there may be very good things in the article, which I can't read because of the paywall, it's also the case that self-examination can quickly become self-blame, which can itself be very harmful. It's paralysing; it lets others off the hook for their own actions; it makes us look in the wrong place for causes and solutions ("maybe if I just wear a longer skirt..."); and it is actually just another part of the "waves of superiority" problem if I'm expected to act like a parent to others and take responsibility for their actions.

I'm not responsible for them. I'm really not.

I agree strongly with the tagline you quoted:
“Stop shouting about how appalled we are by Trump and Farage and learn from our mistakes, to build our own disruptive new agenda of change, respect for ordinary people and pride in our country”

I'm all for being a realist and for looking at useful ways to work, and what that tagline describes is essential. The article might be useful.

But I also know that any discussion about this is usually flooded by posters rushing in to encourage the Left to blame themselves for other people's actions. For some it's self-flagellation; for others it's a distraction from having their own actions noticed or taking their own responsibility.

What it achieves overall is to obstruct anyone from moving forward in the real world.

So I'd rather move forwards with the tagline as a motto.

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