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A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 11:51

Republicans' reactions to Rev Mariann Budde include calls for her to be booted out of the US due to her sermon reminding the congregation (which included Pres. Trump) that the Christian message features some very basic principles such as treating others with humanity and respect. Georgia congressman Mike Collins Budde, a US citizen, “should be added to the deportation list” because of it. So, is the US now a place where people will condemn the basic tenets of Christianity but celebrate a nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism (why doesn't Trump call out this frankly creepy and downright wicked pursuit and picks on vulnerable people instead?)? What of freedom of expression? A one-way street? Those who branded the Reverend 'leftist' and closed their ears to her message should not be calling themselves Christians.
One of my good friend lives in Georgia. She told me that one of her local church ministers got told off by his congregation for talking about the ten commandments because 'too leftist'. I shit you not. I don't normally pray - at least not publicly- but really, God help us all!

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Hoppinggreen · 22/01/2025 13:05

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:56

What I do find striking is how quickly some people claim they've been insulted or their opinions oppressed or shouted down. Those are the people whose side has WON! E.VE.RY.THING!
So what's with the chronically thin skin?...

Terrible winners

sugarapplelane · 22/01/2025 13:04

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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Rude? No - she was not. She was giving Trump and his followers a Christian word of warning.
She was fantastic. I applaud her

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 12:59

Saschka · 22/01/2025 12:48

Nazis seem to think he was doing a Nazi salute. Perhaps Elon should clarify, if he didn’t mean to. But he won’t.

No indeed – because all of this is playing into his hands entirely. It benefits him if fascists think he was too much for it to be worth him issuing a denial.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:56

What I do find striking is how quickly some people claim they've been insulted or their opinions oppressed or shouted down. Those are the people whose side has WON! E.VE.RY.THING!
So what's with the chronically thin skin?...

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resipsa · 22/01/2025 12:53

The bots and trolls are out in force on this thread. Musk knew precisely what he was doing and the controversy that would follow. (He and his ilk love the chaos it cause with the little people). Thankfully so did the brave woman. She was spot on.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:48

The problem faced by the Evangelical right is that ultimately, their extreme political values are incompatible with Christianity and they will have to make a choice (think by and large they already have). Catholics who tried to get on the right side of the Hitler regime back in the day found that out at their expense (priests got killed like the rest of them). I don't like the reaction to the very dignified sermon for that reason as well. Not a good sign.

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Porcuporpoise · 22/01/2025 12:48

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:23

Again he pumped his heart then arm out not a nazi salute at all 🤦‍♀️ did you post about Kamala doing it ? What about Obama ? What about Taylor Swift ? No ? Didn’t think so. This is getting tiresome and people really need to start using their critical thinking skills.

And that was not the time nor the place for the so called sermon.

Seriously? A cathedral's not the right place for a sermon on Christian values?

Trump's bigly on Christianity so he's going to have to get used to hearing some uncomfortable stuff.

Saschka · 22/01/2025 12:48

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 12:35

I think Elon Musk is a drug-addled narcissist who is a bigot in any number of ways, and the biggest risk to global stability this side of Putin, but he wasn't deliberately doing a Nazi salute, and all the energy we're wasting talking about it is simply playing into his/Trump's hands.

Nazis seem to think he was doing a Nazi salute. Perhaps Elon should clarify, if he didn’t mean to. But he won’t.

NoisyBear · 22/01/2025 12:46

If it's not a nazi salute would you start doing that in public then? Start doing it at work and see how that goes down or maybe in the school yard when you are picking up your kids. It shouldn't be a problem for you, given it was just a meaningless gesture.

dairydebris · 22/01/2025 12:45

American Christianity is so far removed from new testament Christianity that it's genuinely unrecognizable.
4 more years of this utter shit show to go 😬

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 12:45

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:37

Exactly as I thought. It’s ok for all the others but not anyone connected to the current administration. I’ll leave you all to it, while the new American government get on with the job.

Off you pop then.

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:44

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:41

Oh resorting to insults that’s normally the case with left. Toddle to you to !

@Whoknew24 “Toddle to you too” doesn’t even remotely make sense 🤣. Bless you for trying though.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:42

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:40

Why would I need to elaborate to you ? That’s my perception that’s my opinion I do not need to elobrare any further. You’re all left supporters and upset they’re now in government. So I’ll let you all loose your mind while common sense is being restored.
reply by all means I wouldn’t waste my time returning to this ridiculous thread.

I didn't disrespect you. You came on to my thread to voice your opinion. You have. You can leave now if you like. It's a free country but no insults needed.

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Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:41

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Oh resorting to insults that’s normally the case with left. Toddle to you to !

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:40

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:35

Can you elaborate on this? Interested to know how a bishop preaching in a church service about Christian fundamentals was rude and patronising. Would you also say Jesus was rude and patronising?

Why would I need to elaborate to you ? That’s my perception that’s my opinion I do not need to elobrare any further. You’re all left supporters and upset they’re now in government. So I’ll let you all loose your mind while common sense is being restored.
reply by all means I wouldn’t waste my time returning to this ridiculous thread.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:40

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:37

Please do elaborate on this. Two of you have used the words rude and patronising. I'd love to hear your reasoning. To me it looked like a Christian bishop in a Christian church service in a Christian church preaching some fundamentals of Christianity.

Some American Christians seem to think that the basic fundamentals of Christianity are exclusively about abortion and homosexuality.

If they're not careful, some strands of fundamentalist Christianity in the Bible belt might become to Christianity what the Talibans are to Islam.

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Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:39

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:38

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:37

Exactly as I thought. It’s ok for all the others but not anyone connected to the current administration. I’ll leave you all to it, while the new American government get on with the job.

Well, the new American government should absolutely get on with the job instead of vilifying a bishop for preaching Christian values.

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Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:37

RhannionKPSS · 22/01/2025 12:04

It wasn’t Christian at all, she was rude, patronizing, pathetic and lied.

Please do elaborate on this. Two of you have used the words rude and patronising. I'd love to hear your reasoning. To me it looked like a Christian bishop in a Christian church service in a Christian church preaching some fundamentals of Christianity.

Some American Christians seem to think that the basic fundamentals of Christianity are exclusively about abortion and homosexuality.

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:37

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:31

@Whoknew24 Are you seriously unable to appreciate the significance of moving versus still images in these circumstances? And you have the audacity to lecture on critical thinking skills 😆

Exactly as I thought. It’s ok for all the others but not anyone connected to the current administration. I’ll leave you all to it, while the new American government get on with the job.

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 12:35

I think Elon Musk is a drug-addled narcissist who is a bigot in any number of ways, and the biggest risk to global stability this side of Putin, but he wasn't deliberately doing a Nazi salute, and all the energy we're wasting talking about it is simply playing into his/Trump's hands.

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:35

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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Can you elaborate on this? Interested to know how a bishop preaching in a church service about Christian fundamentals was rude and patronising. Would you also say Jesus was rude and patronising?

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:35

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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When did I say you were not entitled to your opinion?
I have mine and I'm voicing it. Call that 'pushing a narrative' if you like. You are 'pushing' yours. That's what a discussion forum is about.

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CornishPorsche · 22/01/2025 12:34

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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When is an appropriate time for a bishop to preach, exactly? If not during a sermon?

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:27

Not the time or the place? A church? After the most controversial figure in modern American history has re-entered the White House? Talking about unity and respect at that time is wrong?? Have you been to the US recently and seen how extremely divided it is? I've recently been to both blue and red states. It really quite obvious.
Only through calm and respectful influences like hers can we survive the coming era. Those values might move underground but they'll never die off and I love that she voiced them whilst she could.

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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