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A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 11:51

Republicans' reactions to Rev Mariann Budde include calls for her to be booted out of the US due to her sermon reminding the congregation (which included Pres. Trump) that the Christian message features some very basic principles such as treating others with humanity and respect. Georgia congressman Mike Collins Budde, a US citizen, “should be added to the deportation list” because of it. So, is the US now a place where people will condemn the basic tenets of Christianity but celebrate a nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism (why doesn't Trump call out this frankly creepy and downright wicked pursuit and picks on vulnerable people instead?)? What of freedom of expression? A one-way street? Those who branded the Reverend 'leftist' and closed their ears to her message should not be calling themselves Christians.
One of my good friend lives in Georgia. She told me that one of her local church ministers got told off by his congregation for talking about the ten commandments because 'too leftist'. I shit you not. I don't normally pray - at least not publicly- but really, God help us all!

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justasking111 · 22/01/2025 13:42

Firstly it wasn't a nazi salute.

Secondly I've sat in a catholic service and the priest ranted at the whole congregation at a funeral of a well loved local man. So the congregation weren't all catholic by any means. Think he wasn't going to let a full church go to waste.

Porcuporpoise · 22/01/2025 13:41

spoonfulofsugar1 · 22/01/2025 13:33

Lesbian, gay and transgender people may well be fearful that the tide in the US is turning awful from the neverending appeasement and pandering of trans ideology but that doesnt equate to them being fearful of their lives and its nonsense for her to say that.

Given the new administration's clear support for far right groups I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I don't think that Trump's going to send out the army to do a little gay bashing but the Proud Boys might.

Porcuporpoise · 22/01/2025 13:39

spoonfulofsugar1 · 22/01/2025 13:19

I think her sermon was awful. Attention seeking and pathetic. Trump is vile but she used her sermon to make political points and it was inappropriate.
Talk about mercy, fine, but why plea specifically for mercy for lesbian, gay and transgender children if not to make a political point. And she stated that they are in fear for their lives? Really. Absolute hyperbole. But tbh I'm surprised he even went, Bishop Budde is known for left wing views.

I don't know whether you are familiar with the teachings of Christ but Jesus himself was pretty left wing.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 13:37

Gay people are fearful that their legal marriages will be made null and void. This is now a reasonable fear for them to have. Just as US women are afraid for their access to abortion and other healthcare.

It's not all about the trans.🙄

spoonfulofsugar1 · 22/01/2025 13:33

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:23

That was because non-binary people and illegal immigrants were specifically targeted and mentioned during the inauguration. And if you personally knew any of them you'd know they're absolutely terrified. Maybe, just maybe, they're wrong to be terrified, but that was the very point of her sermon: Mr President, please will you reassure them that they're wrong to be scared!
Instead of doing that, he and his supporters double down. So how do you think those people feel right now as we speak??

Lesbian, gay and transgender people may well be fearful that the tide in the US is turning awful from the neverending appeasement and pandering of trans ideology but that doesnt equate to them being fearful of their lives and its nonsense for her to say that.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:30

You know full well what it means. Not derailing my thread by engaging into a debate on what non-binary possibly encompasses.

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Soontobe60 · 22/01/2025 13:29

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:28

Trump used that terminology, ask him.

So you don’t have a definition then?

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:28

Trump used that terminology, ask him.

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Soontobe60 · 22/01/2025 13:27

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:23

That was because non-binary people and illegal immigrants were specifically targeted and mentioned during the inauguration. And if you personally knew any of them you'd know they're absolutely terrified. Maybe, just maybe, they're wrong to be terrified, but that was the very point of her sermon: Mr President, please will you reassure them that they're wrong to be scared!
Instead of doing that, he and his supporters double down. So how do you think those people feel right now as we speak??

Define ‘non-binary person’

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 13:26

spoonfulofsugar1 · 22/01/2025 13:19

I think her sermon was awful. Attention seeking and pathetic. Trump is vile but she used her sermon to make political points and it was inappropriate.
Talk about mercy, fine, but why plea specifically for mercy for lesbian, gay and transgender children if not to make a political point. And she stated that they are in fear for their lives? Really. Absolute hyperbole. But tbh I'm surprised he even went, Bishop Budde is known for left wing views.

She didn't just plea for mercy for LGBT people though. She asked for it for the people who feel afraid right now.

Goldenbear · 22/01/2025 13:26

RhannionKPSS · 22/01/2025 12:04

It wasn’t Christian at all, she was rude, patronizing, pathetic and lied.

What did she lie about?

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:25

See, I personally am neither right nor left because those buckets are too restrictive. I will however always try to be on the side of the human - not greed, not tech, not jackboots...
Rev Budde is not talking as a 'leftist', she is talking as a human being with a Christian faith.

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Hoppinggreen · 22/01/2025 13:25

Soontobe60 · 22/01/2025 13:21

nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism
If you believe Musk really gave a Na*i salute then you’re as bonkers and gullible as the rest of the baying mob.

Why can't you write Nazi?
That is what is bonkers

Soontobe60 · 22/01/2025 13:24

Is this a Na*i salute too?

A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!
StandFirm · 22/01/2025 13:23

spoonfulofsugar1 · 22/01/2025 13:19

I think her sermon was awful. Attention seeking and pathetic. Trump is vile but she used her sermon to make political points and it was inappropriate.
Talk about mercy, fine, but why plea specifically for mercy for lesbian, gay and transgender children if not to make a political point. And she stated that they are in fear for their lives? Really. Absolute hyperbole. But tbh I'm surprised he even went, Bishop Budde is known for left wing views.

That was because non-binary people and illegal immigrants were specifically targeted and mentioned during the inauguration. And if you personally knew any of them you'd know they're absolutely terrified. Maybe, just maybe, they're wrong to be terrified, but that was the very point of her sermon: Mr President, please will you reassure them that they're wrong to be scared!
Instead of doing that, he and his supporters double down. So how do you think those people feel right now as we speak??

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TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 13:23

Plawp · 22/01/2025 13:11

It was though. Do you not feel a little silly defending someone making a nazi salute?

One of the things my mother told me was "Never make yourself look foolish by defending a man." This past day I have seen women turn themselves inside out trying to defend Musk's Nazi salutes. It's desperate, sad and unnecessary given that he could perfectly well defend himself if he wanted.

After all he is the richest and one of the most powerful people in the world.

Soontobe60 · 22/01/2025 13:21

nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism
If you believe Musk really gave a Na*i salute then you’re as bonkers and gullible as the rest of the baying mob.

Mrsbloggz · 22/01/2025 13:19

Trump is the new Jesus 😱
Everything else flows from that.

spoonfulofsugar1 · 22/01/2025 13:19

I think her sermon was awful. Attention seeking and pathetic. Trump is vile but she used her sermon to make political points and it was inappropriate.
Talk about mercy, fine, but why plea specifically for mercy for lesbian, gay and transgender children if not to make a political point. And she stated that they are in fear for their lives? Really. Absolute hyperbole. But tbh I'm surprised he even went, Bishop Budde is known for left wing views.

user22446688 · 22/01/2025 13:12

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:31

@Whoknew24 Are you seriously unable to appreciate the significance of moving versus still images in these circumstances? And you have the audacity to lecture on critical thinking skills 😆

I mean, doesn't this pretty much sum up almost everything about Trump supporters? By which I don't mean those who held their noses and voted for him, although I don't understand that either. I saw it on X, so it must be true seems to be most of their thought process.

Plawp · 22/01/2025 13:11

BorgQueen · 22/01/2025 12:09

There is only one actual nazi salute, that wasn’t it 😉
A white supremacist, really? 🤣

It was though. Do you not feel a little silly defending someone making a nazi salute?

sugarapplelane · 22/01/2025 13:10

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:40

Why would I need to elaborate to you ? That’s my perception that’s my opinion I do not need to elobrare any further. You’re all left supporters and upset they’re now in government. So I’ll let you all loose your mind while common sense is being restored.
reply by all means I wouldn’t waste my time returning to this ridiculous thread.

Of course you need to elaborate!! You’ve says she was rude and patronising by giving a sermon about Christian values in a Christian church. In her Church.

You’ve made an argument and we want you to back it up with why you think that. Simple.

But - you may be one of these people who just spout and don’t know why. You believe what you have been told and that is the end of it. No rhyme, no reason. Maybe you can’t back it up.

CornishPorsche · 22/01/2025 13:09

Whimsicalgrape · 22/01/2025 13:08

He is a card-carrying cunt though. Much like trump etc.

Excellent description. Will be using!

Whimsicalgrape · 22/01/2025 13:08

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 13:06

I should clarify: he absolutely knew what he was doing. I just mean that he was doing it to court the publicity that we’re giving him by endlessly analysing it, not because he is a genuine, card-carrying Nazi.

He is a card-carrying cunt though. Much like trump etc.

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 13:06

I should clarify: he absolutely knew what he was doing. I just mean that he was doing it to court the publicity that we’re giving him by endlessly analysing it, not because he is a genuine, card-carrying Nazi.

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