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Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

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trapforsanta · 12/01/2025 09:02

It's been revealed in multiple media sources after much speculation that Dominic Cummings has been whatsapping Musk with strategies to undermine the UK government and our democracy. For a while commentators have been speculating that Musk must have a hard right UK informant, since he's not across any detail himself and really has no understanding of the UK or our political system himself (see his comments about asking the King to dissolve the government). He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos, and now we discover it's Cummings up to his dark tricks again.

I don't think I've ever wished harm to another person but honestly I wish Cummings would just bugger off for good.

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EasternStandard · 12/01/2025 09:50

AzurePanda · 12/01/2025 09:14

I’m perplexed by all the outrage over Musk having opinions on British Politics - people in Britain and particularly politicians have never held back on their opinions on Trump.

Also intrigued by the term “informant” - as if it’s somehow illegal to have a conversation or relationship with someone.

This is a fair point look at the politicians who had to pretend they hadn’t held strong opinions on Trump earlier

As for Cummings he was instrumental in partygate so he’s likely keen to go for either and if it’s good one then the other can’t complain over same

He’s not great at long form writing but gets strategy pretty much spot on so you’d not want him against you

PheasantPluckers · 12/01/2025 09:47

It’s not opinions, he’s spreading misinformation as facts that people believe - e.g. Tommy Robinson is wrongfully imprisoned, that last week’s vote for a children’s bill was Labour blocking a full another inquiry into the grooming gangs.

Not the first time - remember his disgusting accuststion about the diver that rescued those poor boys stuck in the cave in Thailand?

People know he's a nepo-baby crackpot. The only ones who will be influenced by him are the people that want to believe these things, already believe them and would be influenced by anyone spouting far right rhetoric - and we have plenty of those ourselves.

Justcallmebebes · 12/01/2025 09:45

Musk may have channelled millions of dollars into the Republicans campaign, but that did not win them the election. The fact that Trump won the majority vote, by a long shot, is what won them the election

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:43

Sherbs12 · 12/01/2025 09:41

Good on Musk for promoting the far-right and challenging the very basic principles of democracy? Historically, how does that normally work out for people? Actually, he can’t do what he likes, he just thinks he can - perhaps because he’s just funded the presidency of a convicted felon accused of sexual assault and misconduct - Musk is as accountable as anyone else. You can criticise Labour and still believe that what Musk is doing is dangerous and wrong.

I've given up trying to define this nebulous description of "far right" that Keir seems to throw around at anyone who disagrees with him. Which includes most of us. We are all "far right" now.

AlisonDonut · 12/01/2025 09:42

He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos

Yes, this is the real issue. Not the institutionalised protections that are given to men, so very many groups of disgusting men, decade after decade after decade. Forever and ever and ever.

Or the violent threats that are dished out to anyone who breaks stories and gets the word out. No, it's all about Tommy bloody Robinson.

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:41

Thewaitingseason · 12/01/2025 09:39

In some ways I think it’s good that someone is coming in and disrupting things it might actually highlight issues and get people involved and interested in politics and the truth !

Agree. He's done the victims of the rape gangs a great service and is getting us to look at ourselves as a country and how we should be protecting our society.

Sherbs12 · 12/01/2025 09:41

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:34

Good on Musk. He can do what he likes. I don't equate the interests of our country with the interests of the Labour Party.

Good on Musk for promoting the far-right and challenging the very basic principles of democracy? Historically, how does that normally work out for people? Actually, he can’t do what he likes, he just thinks he can - perhaps because he’s just funded the presidency of a convicted felon accused of sexual assault and misconduct - Musk is as accountable as anyone else. You can criticise Labour and still believe that what Musk is doing is dangerous and wrong.

Justcallmebebes · 12/01/2025 09:40

AzurePanda · 12/01/2025 09:14

I’m perplexed by all the outrage over Musk having opinions on British Politics - people in Britain and particularly politicians have never held back on their opinions on Trump.

Also intrigued by the term “informant” - as if it’s somehow illegal to have a conversation or relationship with someone.

This and I also agree that Musk putting a bomb under the govt over the rape gangs is a really good thing and applaud him for that

This Cummings/Musk plot has come from the DM so I would take it with a pinch of salt

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:40

lostinthememory · 12/01/2025 09:39

It's nothing to do with having an opinion. Musk is free to have an opinion.

But given Trump's comments about using military and economic force to take Greenland and Canada, do we really want Musk talking about "liberating" us?

Well how do you propose to shut down free speech

Thewaitingseason · 12/01/2025 09:39

In some ways I think it’s good that someone is coming in and disrupting things it might actually highlight issues and get people involved and interested in politics and the truth !

lostinthememory · 12/01/2025 09:39

It's nothing to do with having an opinion. Musk is free to have an opinion.

But given Trump's comments about using military and economic force to take Greenland and Canada, do we really want Musk talking about "liberating" us?

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:39

BIossomtoes · 12/01/2025 09:36

It’s not party political. I feel the same as you about the Tories but there’s no way I’d condone his interference regardless of the colour of the government.

He's open about his messages though. Everyone knows what he says is from him and you can judge him accordingly.

If you're talking about covert influence on government however, that's always happened.

Thewaitingseason · 12/01/2025 09:38

AzurePanda · 12/01/2025 09:14

I’m perplexed by all the outrage over Musk having opinions on British Politics - people in Britain and particularly politicians have never held back on their opinions on Trump.

Also intrigued by the term “informant” - as if it’s somehow illegal to have a conversation or relationship with someone.

I’m also perplexed. Surely we are all capable of critical thinking and if we apply doubt to the majority of what an individual says we can make our own decisions. He only has influence over the ignorant.

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:37

LlynTegid · 12/01/2025 09:35

If we were holding the corrupt and treasonous actions of Boris Johnson to account in a court of law as we should be, Dominic Cummings would no doubt be called as a witness and would therefore not have the time to stir, if indeed it is him.

Much more corrupt would be a Labour Party shill judging the actions of Prime Minister from an opposing party while pretending to be neutral and then immediately after getting a cushy job with said Labour as a reward..

Oh hang on...that.actually happened.

BIossomtoes · 12/01/2025 09:36

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:34

Good on Musk. He can do what he likes. I don't equate the interests of our country with the interests of the Labour Party.

It’s not party political. I feel the same as you about the Tories but there’s no way I’d condone his interference regardless of the colour of the government.

LlynTegid · 12/01/2025 09:35

If we were holding the corrupt and treasonous actions of Boris Johnson to account in a court of law as we should be, Dominic Cummings would no doubt be called as a witness and would therefore not have the time to stir, if indeed it is him.

Rummly · 12/01/2025 09:34

Moonlightstars · 12/01/2025 09:24

British politicians need to have an opinion on other politicians. They need to express those opinions and use their power to influence policy. We are not an isolated blob of a country. Politicians have been voted in to do this in part based on their views of how they will work with other countries.
Musk is not an elective representative he is the wealthiest man on the planet and a megalomaniac narcissist. He hasn't rose to fame on the back of his political knowledge.
He shouldn't be meddling with our politics. Cummings equally treats our politics and our country as a game. He has zero morals. Cummings admitted he knew brexit would be bad for the country but that wasn't his role. His role was to win the game of making brexit happen. Annoyingly he is very good at playing this sort of game. He has worked out many people are easily manipulated. Especially with using populist ideas such as immigration, and horrifically in this case grooming and racism as an easy way to sway public opinion.
Anyone that thinks for even one second that Musk gives a fuck about women and girls is a complete fool. I wouldn't be surprised if it is Cummings. If I was an utter cunt that wanted to disrupt countries for my own fun and power hungry nature I would also use him.

It’s worse that elected UK politicians air their views about US politics and politicians, not better (if it matters at all).

Elected politicians seek power. When they get power their comments come back to haunt them, and us. Have a look at David Lammy’s track record of commenting about the US!

And their ‘interference’ in another nation’s politics carries more weight than a businessman’s.

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:34

Sherbs12 · 12/01/2025 09:32

It’s not opinions, he’s spreading misinformation as facts that people believe - e.g. Tommy Robinson is wrongfully imprisoned, that last week’s vote for a children’s bill was Labour blocking a full another inquiry into the grooming gangs.

He’a not holding Labour to account, he’s trying to challenge the very foundations of our democratic and legal systems, when he clearly understands neither. He called for the king to dissolve parliament - an unelected power to overthrow an elected power in a democracy, this can’t happen and it shows you exactly the type of state he prefers.

He is doing the same thing towards the German government, whilst also championing a far-right party who have associated with neo-nazis - let’s be under no illusion about Musk. Why is he attacking western democracies and not Russia, China, etc? Why isn’t he demanding an investigation into the Church of England child abuse that has been recently fully disclosed? Why isn’t he focusing on the Catholic Church abuse in US or Epstein, demanding justice for those victims in the country where he is an advisor to the president elect? Absolutely all of these horrific crimes need to be investigated properly with justice and reform to follow.

Also, Labour didn’t interfere in the US politics - some party members made their own independent choice to travel there to do some groundwork for the Democrats. That is blatantly incomparable to a man such as Musk with the platform he has spreading disinformation. This isn’t a personal complaint from Labour - several other countries are speaking out on this, one even banned X.

Good on Musk. He can do what he likes. I don't equate the interests of our country with the interests of the Labour Party.

verycloakanddaggers · 12/01/2025 09:33

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:27

I think the words "government sources claim" might suggest a tiny amount of bias here...

Those words show no particular bias, you're reading it with your own bias!

'Government sources claim or government advisor claims' is standard for political stories, whatever the government, whatever the topic.

Sherbs12 · 12/01/2025 09:32

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:11

Who is saying that? Are we blaming the messenger again rather than listening to the message?

Elon Musk has done this country a great service highlighting child grooming gangs. Just because Labour don't enjoy him pointing out their faults doesn't make him wrong. And Labour saw nothing wrong in interfering in US politics so they can't complain now.

It’s not opinions, he’s spreading misinformation as facts that people believe - e.g. Tommy Robinson is wrongfully imprisoned, that last week’s vote for a children’s bill was Labour blocking a full another inquiry into the grooming gangs.

He’a not holding Labour to account, he’s trying to challenge the very foundations of our democratic and legal systems, when he clearly understands neither. He called for the king to dissolve parliament - an unelected power to overthrow an elected power in a democracy, this can’t happen and it shows you exactly the type of state he prefers.

He is doing the same thing towards the German government, whilst also championing a far-right party who have associated with neo-nazis - let’s be under no illusion about Musk. Why is he attacking western democracies and not Russia, China, etc? Why isn’t he demanding an investigation into the Church of England child abuse that has been recently fully disclosed? Why isn’t he focusing on the Catholic Church abuse in US or Epstein, demanding justice for those victims in the country where he is an advisor to the president elect? Absolutely all of these horrific crimes need to be investigated properly with justice and reform to follow.

Also, Labour didn’t interfere in the US politics - some party members made their own independent choice to travel there to do some groundwork for the Democrats. That is blatantly incomparable to a man such as Musk with the platform he has spreading disinformation. This isn’t a personal complaint from Labour - several other countries are speaking out on this, one even banned X.

BIossomtoes · 12/01/2025 09:31

Spot on @Moonlightstars.

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:27

Bromptotoo · 12/01/2025 09:23

I think the words "government sources claim" might suggest a tiny amount of bias here...

AzurePanda · 12/01/2025 09:27

@lostinthememory he’s entitled to say what he likes. I’m sure you’re aware of all the billionaires involved in funding think tanks, research institute’s etc in the UK. Let alone all the billionaires who hold forth on Trump at any opportunity. Thank god for free speech.

Hoppingabout · 12/01/2025 09:26

lostinthememory · 12/01/2025 09:15

This is huge.

This isn't about the gangs - Elon Musk is trying to interfere in every facet of our political system, without any understanding of it. Saying he wants Starmer gone, he wants the US to "liberate" us (what does that even mean?), trying to remove Farage to have someone who will bend the knee to him in charge of reform.

He's the richest man on earth and he has a direct line to the US president. In the US they refer to him as president Musk because he has that much influence. This is really, really serious.

This is not huge. This is nothing the left haven't been doing for years; trying to influence politics by non democratic means in dominating all institutions such as the civil service, education, BBC etc. They just don't like it when someone disagrees.

It's all a distraction from the main issues. Labour are trying to cause a distraction by raising the spectre of bogeyman being the messengers (Cummings, Musk, Tommy Robinson) rather than.dealing with the actual issues they've raised. It's a very obvious tactic.

bevelino · 12/01/2025 09:26

Musk needs to focus his attention on the problems in the U.S. I am hoping that when he is in office with his new job in the Trump Administration he won’t have time to interfere in the politics of other countries.