Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

Were there significant BLM riots in the UK?

Protests that got out of hand for sure but riots like in the US?

Taking the knee isn't solidarity with a violent fringe.

Really? I'm shocked if that's the case. Are these people you know or is there some sort of poll on this? Do these people only follow Tweets from US billionaires and not any UK news sources?

I don't think anyone has hijacked this thread with far right debates about race and ethnicity have they? Or have I missed something?

The big problem is the blurred lines of truth and lies.
we live in a democracy as do the people in the US.
Starmer and Trump were both democratically elected and if we believe in a democracy we have to accept that fact, live with it and use our voting rights to change it at the next election if we don’t agree with them.
Elon was posting tweets declaring his wish for the UK Government to be removed by undemocratic ways. This is wrong.
Plus as he doesn’t know how our democracy works, so he posts stupid things like saying KC should remove parliament. This is not helpful and this wrong statement just inflames the situation and emboldened the keyboard warriors who re-tweet his pro-announcements and give him the validation he is looking for.
Let’s be clear, I have no problem with free speech and opinions, provided they are supported by facts and evidence. Elon merely tweets his personal beliefs which have been shown in the case of Tommy Robinson are very different to reality. This is why I consider Elon to be a danger to democracy, a man with too much power purely because he is rich.
My biggest fear is that Elon is not doing it because he believes, remember a few years ago is was a democrat, but because he can. Like devil making mischief, spinning tales and causing chaos.

Don't get me wrong, Biden/Harris were awful. But Trump lead an insurrection, which is a pretty big fucking deal. He's also a convicted felon. The mainstream media in the US were willing to portray Biden and Harris in a more positive light and overlook their obvious flaws for so long, because Trump 2.0 was unthinkable. Trump was deplatformed from twitter along with other conspiracists.

Musk not only re-platformed them (e.g. RFK, Alex Jones), he then actively boosted their views. He dragged right the Overton Window on what is acceptable discourse. For a British perspective, he is not only tweeting 'Free Tommy Robinson' but has reposted Tommy Robinson's disinformation film and suggested that everyone should watch it. He said that Farage isn't fit to lead Reform (who Musk wants to run the UK) because Farage doesn't support Tommy Robinson.

If you were on twitter in the lead-up to the presidential election you would have been completely bombarded with pro-Trump messaging from Musk, with reach and impact that you absolutely couldn't have paid for.

And if you don't think Trump knows that, look how close Musk is to him now. Every video. Trump has even had to tell people that Musk isn't eligible to be President. If you hadn't been paying attention, you might be surprised about how Musk is always there.

And if you still aren't sure of Musk's influence, take a look at what Zuckerberg is now saying about the social media he controls. He is absolutely following Musk's lead there. Why do you think that is?

They burnt parts of Croydon down.

What about thr BLM riots? When Keir starmer "took the knee". He loved those particular guys. Just not the white working class ones oop north.

I think you've just found out that most people are really actually just slightly right of centre in this country; small "c" conservatives no matter which way they vote and don't like the way things are going and are horrified by the revelations about what's been happening. There's nothing AI generated or conspiratorial about it.

A lot of people weren't. They are now. And that can only be a good thing. All of us in the UK will live in or near a city or town where it's still happening.

The difficulty with Elon Musk's interest (although I think overall amazing for the victims of mass rapes nationwide let's not forget) is that it all now seems to be about this minister. And Parliamentary time.mainly taken up by talking about her. Rather than the victims.

'More and more posts have a conspiratorial edge'.

You mean like 'Dominic Cummings is leaking info to Musk who is then trying to take down the UK government'?

Or

'The UK government is trying to take down X and other free speech platforms and actually jailing people who post their thoughts on social media'?

Which is the conspiracy?

Doubt it. They are tow completely different things. I'm assuming you can be "far left" and still want an enquiry into rape gangs. It's not a tribal issue. I'm hoping??

Were you not already aware of the problem of grooming gangs in the UK? There has already been a 7 year enquiry amongst others and a whole load of headlines?

I suppose it was okay when you felt everyone agreed with you? And for those who didn’t in the past just had to suck it up if they weren’t left leaning?

the fact is right/left are meaningless now, everyone is tarred with being far right if they disagree online. No wonder thousands are leaving X (and hilariously, now Facebook) for BlueSky where it’s all cosy echo chamber devoid of critical thinking people who cannot countenance a differing view and who end up shocked when votes don’t go their way back in the real world.

I’m not sure a spread of views was welcomed, it was usually met with bot, paid or HQ or similar

Finally mnhq just deletes posts that do this

I prefer a mix without that kind of attempt to drive off views

Hmmmm maybe. I have no issue with different views and I've enjoyed this site previously because I feel it has an interesting spread of views.

But I feel more and more posts have a real conspiratorial edge. Whether this reflects more people feeling angry/suspicious/believing more extreme sources/holding more extreme opinions or just AI generated junk being thrown on threads, I don't know but it's worrying.

Musk knows zero about protecting children in this country or any other and cares even less
it is not remotely surprising if Cummings has been briefing him on issues which (an idiot would think) Labour are vulnerable on
directing vile misogynistic abuse at the one person in the government with practical experience in actually helping women and girls gives you a clue as to how much either of them are genuine on this matter
maybe I blame Cummings even more than Cameron or Johnson for the shitshow that Brexit has entirely predictably turned out to be

More billionaires funded the Democrats. They had a much higher sum of money and celebrity and media endorsement. Let that sink in.

You seriously think that? You think that Musk got Trump elected and that his words are really persuasive?

So nothing to do with Biden’s health or calamitous decision to fight on for so long, or public dissatisfaction with Biden, or the Dems’ campaign?

The Reps won the Senate too. Was that Musk’s doing?

As for his words, anyone can see he’s a weirdo. You can see it, I can see it. But you think less of everyone else’s ability to think and judge.

Stupid? Yes, but it’s not me.

It’s likely moving away from Labour echo chamber is feeling different

Different views are fine. People in the public have them and this is an open forum

I think Musk is particularly upset with Starmer because of the people put in jail for inciting violence via twitter.

Musk's stated obsession with free speech, and control of twitter means that someone else overruling him on what is acceptable on his own platform probably really rankled.

He is a dangerous disruptor

I know Musk has his own agenda.
I agree his language is unacceptable and incites hatred.

I do think he is right to shed light on the way these atrocities have been minimised and downplayed. Maggie Oliver who has been a staunch advocate for the girls is pleased the matter is getting more attention.

I think the shutting down of debate increases support for extremism. Much better to have the debate out in the open.

it’s possible that the following two things are true:
Musk’s motives are not altruistic
The grooming gangs issue has not been properly investigated and addressed.

I don't know why but this site feels much more reform/right sympathetic lately and much more so than other social media/forums I read. It feels artificial and unpleasant and makes me really wary of reading politics threads now.

As for advisors Cummings did more for Starmer via partygate than Starmer did for himself

Interesting to see the shoe on the other foot

‘Informer’ in thread title is a bit silly but Cummings can be lethal in direct strategy.

Furthermore, within democracy, there are also laws on defamation by libel and slander - if ‘free speech’ becomes defamation then people are and will be made accountable. Free speech doesn’t mean saying whatever you want without any responsibility or consequence.