Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

The Telegraph.

I give up. There are too many people replying to me who clearly only see this from a tribal perspective and are arguing in defence of Keir Starmer rather than for the victims. I really hope no one who has been directly affected reads this thread.

You saying that Telegraph is a reliable source is incredibly funny. That is a standalone comment.

Did you notice that the gang that wasn't prosecuted then went on to be prosecuted due to the changes made?

"In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who at the time was director of prosecutions in London, was made chief prosecutor for the north west. He subsequently overturned the 2009 decision and a total of nine men were later convicted.
In a recent interview Mr Afzal recalled: “The only way we could bring that case was to admit that we had failed these victims when they had first made a complaint in 2008. Keir was 100% behind the decision to publicly admit that we had got it wrong in the past.”
Following these convictions, Mr Starmer appointed Mr Afzal as the head of a newly formed national network of specialist prosecutors for child abuse and sexual exploitation. Mr Afzal went on to oversee numerous convictions against other grooming gangs. "

And you're criticising Starmer for admitting that they had got things wrong when that was the thing that enabled the prosecution to go ahead?

Revealed by whom and to whom.

Whose assessment of "overwhelming evidence" is that?

I'm sorry but we need more than newspaper clippings of unknown provenance before starting a Public Inquiry or hanging the PM out to dry.

But it still happened. Despite "overwhelming evidence of their guilt"

The legal justice system hasn't changed that much since then.

I don't find any of this "incredibly funny"

"Overwhelming evidence of their guilt"

It's incredibly funny that you think that the Telegraph is reliable on the topic of Keir Starmer, but if you read the full fact article it explains that Keir Starmer was saying why changes were being made under his watch to stop this happening.

No I don't think it's just him as presumably it's been going on for years.

Can you give a bit more detail of when he ordered a prosecution to be stopped?

Or do you actually mean that, on his watch, prosecutions did not proceed because the rules at the time place too much emphasis on the credibility of witnesses?

Rules that he subsequently reformed so that cases went ahead.

Here you go. The Telegraph which I find more reliable. Screenshot as there may be a paywall.

You seem to think that it is Keir Starmer.

Why do you think that?

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

Here you go.

Keir Starmer failed in his job and ordered that the prosecution of a rape gang be stopped which led to the Greater Manchester Police stopping wider investigation into Asian rape gangs. He has admitted his own failures.
He also has ultimate responsibility for the whole of the CPS. He's proud of holding that position but also needs to take responsibility for it's failings to all those girls. He has admitted those failures and, egregiously, that the failure to prosecute was due to the racial element.

And yet he has not been held accountable, was not sacked and appears to now be Prime Minister.

You're lumping everything into one mass without picking out the important part which is how to find out who is accountable for the failure to stop the mass rapes. Yes it's going to be horrendous for everyone but the way to diffuse the tension is to establish what went wrong, who made the decisions and hold them accountable. Not dodging an enquiry that would look at all the cases in the poor northern towns, specifically and comprehensively consider grooming gangs and join the dots nationwide.

What has happened? Jess Phillips unable to leave the house on her own and being in fear for her life (I suspect the same for Starmer too). The Tories, in an incredibly cynical move trying to use the inquiry call to block a schools bill that they object to, knowing that Labour would be whipped to vote for the schools bill and their names would then be put online as 'enablers of child abuse'. Labour, retaliating with similar claims about those who voted against the schools bill. Piers Morgan having to school foreigners like Jordan Peterson on why Tommy Robinson isn't a brave political prisoner jailed for truth-telling but in fact in prison for something he pleaded guilty to, that he nearly collapsed two grooming trials and has a long history of crimes and thuggery. Britain's international reputation being actively damaged.

And an inquiry into what? Some want an inquiry to find out whether Starmer was complicit in mass rape. Others want an inquiry into Muslims. Some want an inquiry into the 'cover-up'. Not many seem particularly interested in the outcomes of all the other inquiries because they didn't lead to the exact recommendation that they are really after (Starmer resigning/mass deportation of Muslims).

Keir Starmer failed in his job and ordered that the prosecution of a rape gang be stopped which led to the Greater Manchester Police stopping wider investigation into Asian rape gangs. He has admitted his own failures.
He also has ultimate responsibility for the whole of the CPS. He's proud of holding that position but also needs to take responsibility for it's failings to all those girls. He has admitted those failures and, egregiously, that the failure to prosecute was due to the racial element.

And yet he has not been held accountable, was not sacked and appears to now be Prime Minister.

Keir Starmer failed in his job and ordered that the prosecution of a rape gang be stopped which led to the Greater Manchester Police stopping wider investigation into Asian rape gangs. He has admitted his own failures.
He also has ultimate responsibility for the whole of the CPS. He's proud of holding that position but also needs to take responsibility for it's failings to all those girls. He has admitted those failures and, egregiously, that the failure to prosecute was due to the racial element.

And yet he has not been held accountable, was not sacked and appears to now be Prime Minister.

So in all your forensic perusal of this issue you failed to notice that the DPP at the time made changes to the CPS to increase prosecutions?

Yes. And what's your point? I don't have to agree with 100% of what anyone says. I do have a brain that (occasionally) works. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. What has been the outcome of Elon Musk highlighting this issue? Wall to wall coverage. Labour I would suspect are.highly likely to end up backing down on the national enquiry point. And that's in large part due to Elon Musk like it or not. He's made some good points about this country. Some aren't obviously but some are.

I think it's important that people who made the decisions are held and seen to be held accountable. The person ultimately responsible for prosecutions (or not prosecuting) let's face it is in Number 10 now.

Fine, and the Cummings stuff is meh because I'm sure he's like a gnat to Musk. But it is explicitly bad he's intervening - all the noise and he's ignoring and undoing lots of careful, slow work that HAS been done on this issue in the last few years.

I've a family member that works with vulnerable kids and they get loads of training on spotting grooming, how to respond to girls at risk and professionals are very switched on to it in way they evidently werent 20 years ago. And he just swoops in a stirs it up as makes people feel more hostile to authorities and institutions who are trying to improve but can only do so slowly.

Yup. The class aspect of this is hugely important and being overlooked at the minute by many.

But when you see threads on here with people thinking that it was fine in the 90s for 14 year olds to be dating 20 odd year olds (spoiler most of us thought it was creepy then too) you can see how these things get swept under the carpet.

It is also very telling that the coverage of the all white grooming gang in the SW on social media was significantly less. It’s awful wherever it happens. We need to support ALL girls regardless of background. We need to ensure ALL boys regardless of background respect women. EM repeatedly demonstrates he does NOT. He is no help in this whatsoever, and would do better to look at what is happening in his own adopted country.