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You saved me typing a post.

Indeed. WW2 started over one country, invading another. In Europe. Over time of course, the war only started when Poland was invaded.
The USA only entered because of other factors, 2 years later.

If the US had t entered WW2, it’s likely the allied forces wouldn’t have won and a deal would could have been made between Russia and Hitler. Europe would have been under a fascist regime.

The UK needs the USA. We’re just fortunate that the special relationship exists under good will from them because historically they like us. Other than that , America doesn’t really need us for anything, military wise or even trade wise .Our main expert to them is whiskey! I’m sure they can survive without that.

My point is Trump is about to be President again and he knows what Labour said about him before he was elected and in recent years. Musk has been busy sending reminder tweets too.

Labour need to tread carefully around Trump.

I am really, really worried about the economy - how people are not realising how bad the budget was is mind boggling….. Truss/kwarteng were ousted for a lesser f-up…

Paul 2023 is making the point that he/she thinks we need the USA to be on our side. Does it matter if the comparison that was used was WW2? We sure needed them then.

Edit to say I was still typing this when Paul posted the one above.

It’s actually relevant- one word - NATO. The UK isn’t able to defend itself in the event of a conflict. The UK armed forces depend on NATO, whom are very much dependent on the USA.
If Trump throws his toys out his pram on the USA paying into NATO, it could very much harm NATOs defence.

America is quite self sufficient, it has its own industries. We have to all be honest and admit the UK needs the USA. Trump or not.

Agreed

Yes I voted Labour and yes I'm still pleased I did. Well I wasn't gonna vote Tory 😂 labour were the only viable opposition.

This!

I would vote Labour again. The Country is an absolute shit show after 14 years of Tory mismanagement, it’s going to take a long time to make things even a tiny bit better. They have made some mistakes, but no one is perfect and I think they’re a thousand times better than the Tories.

I feel very disappointed. They seem to make every wrong decision. I was really pleased when they got in. So they say they are for growth then make decisions which affect businesses negatively. They cancel winter heating allowance for pensioners then say loads of those affected will claim extra benefits so little money for govt. change inheritance tax for farmers..then say hardly any affected so again little revenue for government ( and the big farmers like Dyson will dodge it somehow anyway. And the most depressing thing is that if that continue like this Reform will get loads of supporters. I love Jess Phillips and was a great fan of Wes Streeting. I just hope the Labour Party can turn things around.

Marvellous, let’s drag WW2 into this 🙄

Absolutely agree 👍 💯

It's been less than six months. It's going to take a long time to turn the ship around. Especially with the hostility from all sides and the Tories aping Musk.
I think they're doing ok so far.
I didn't vote for him either, I voted for my MP. That's how it works.

We certainly don't need an America that is willing invade Greenland. Starmer doesn't want to do anything to America regardless of it's politics. What we all want is for our allies to respect our differences are have mutual respect and trade

If Trump wants to tear up climate and global agreements well that's fine but respect our decision to keep them.

Labour won an election with a big majority and a mandate to create a fairer and greener Britain with a key manifesto pledge to rebuild our welfare system and NHS. Trump and Musk should respect our democracy and should not seek to undermine an elected government.

If Trump decides to destroy a alliances then what will follow will put an end to American ambitions and see the rise of China and India as new global stake holders while the sun sets on a declining broken nation of states. Because going to war against beliefs and differences will sow across the world and more importantly back home in the United states

The Tories have a long way to go before they get into government again.

Weirdly, if there was to be another election we could find Labour don’t have enough for a majority, and Reform could have more MPs than the Lib Dem’s.

Imagine Labour and Reform in some sort of coalition..

I didn’t say it would be good or not. I said Trump will walk all over the Labour government. What can Starmer do to Trump? Nothing is the answer.

We need the USA more than they need us. Fact. Trump or not we need them on our side just like we did when we were losing the war 80 years ago.

Well by the measures that they held Truss to ie the gilts, Labour have already crashed the economy. Highest level of borrowing since 2008! Labour were baying for Truss's blood and they have created a worse situation than Truss

Why are you revelling on Trump making life hard for Britain. What kind of patriot would gloat over such a thing.

Starmer is trying to deal with the mess the last Tory government left....the NHS will need to be rebuilt because the last lot were dismantling it brick by brick.

You think Trump threatening Denmark about taking Greenland will be good for you....you really think that behaviour is acceptable in our modern world. If Trump takes Greenland by force Trump will find that having air bases across Europe might be confined to the history books. America might well be capable of projecting it's military might but here is the thing about invading allies territory....they become non allies and such countries might turn to China for partisan support.

I've got no problem of the idea of a resurrection of Americas golden age...but the golden age was done not by invading an allies territory.

I think America has just elected yet another geriatric man who should be kicking windows in a home and not in charge of the worlds most powerful military.

It's a boring cliche. It means the poster is having a generalised sweep at every PM during the 14 years of Tory government. It was used as a vote-catcher by Labour during the election. Of course it will appeal to people who are incapable of making fair judgements or remembering accurately.

Teresa May was a Tory PM. Do you think that she was not a grown-up? I am not saying I think she did brilliantly well but I cannot imagine that she approached her job without absolute seriousness and sincerity, and now and again on the programmes that really analyse politics you will hear her mentioned with a fair word.

Iirc she called an election in 2017 and I believe she had the guts to put something about care for the elderly in the manifesto. It was rubbished and piled on and the words 'granny tax' were thrown around and correct me if I have it wrong, but didn't the Tories take it out of the manifesto? Now, if Wes Streeting can come up with a great scheme that will be good, but do not forget that she was willing to dare to think about it seriously. She wasn't playing games.

If Boris Johnson and Liz Truss had been PMs early in the 14 years of the Tory time, they wouldn't have carried such weight in the short memories of voters.

Was David Cameron just buggering about not taking it seriously or was he reasonably grown-up about the PM job? I'm not asking whether anyone thinks austerity was a good policy. I'm thinking about his demeanour as PM.

Keir Starmer? I hope he does not take too much notice of twaddle about popularity. He seems to plod on steadily. It remains to be seen what will happen in the country in the way of 'growth', 'money' and 'employment/unemployed people'. If I knew how to get those right I'd be governor of the Bank of England. I think being the Chancellor is a hard job, always, not just since last summer.

I didn't vote for him. I'm OK with what they're doing. The UK was left in a right fucking state by the last lot. It's going to take time to stabilise and then fix the damage done.

Before the election anti-Labour posters often said that KS had no magic wand. Now anti-Labour posters are moaning that the country isn't fixed yet. Did they expect him to have a magic wand after all?

Yes I’m glad I voted Labour and would vote for them again.

As you're perfectly aware, the Brexit referendum was introduced and implemented by the Tories. Google Brexit referendum.

Google Rwanda scheme and why it failed. It was a pie in the sky waste of tax payers money that was illegal. Google the law.

There have been inquiries into the child grooming cases. Google child grooming inquiry.

Brexit was decided by the British people (google Brexit referendum) and Rwanda was prevented from working by the same Labour people you're praising.

In any case I'm not a fan of the last Tory government. Saying "they did it too" is hardly a defence . Certainly not a good defence for denying an enquiry into child rape.

How do you feel about highest of borrowing in 27 years impacting public spending and increased likelihood of stagflation?

I voted LibDem actually but am very pleased with Labour Govt so far.
I am not a whinger & I was not completely dissatisfied with Tories... well, not unless you count piroguing Parliament, unfunded tax cuts, Brexit cake & missing £350mln or NH|S & them sick of experts & ignoring Northern Ireland border problems, lies to pro-Brexit fishing communities, slashing public services, not dealing with social care crisis, blaming Labour who are almost never in power for every economic problem ever, PartyGate, birthday parties, Liz Truss insanity, Dominic Cummings eye tests... put all that aside & Tories were maybe sort of ok.

I deeply love Labour in power now compared to all that crap.