So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

I don't think it's part of Muslim culture to be paedophiles, no. The men that run these grooming gangs do happen to be mainly Muslim though and that needs to be acknowledged just as the country acknowledged the Catholic Church abuse scandal.

You said it was part of Muslim culture to abuse children. Would you like me to quote you?

As usual you're not keeping up with the conversation.

I don't think I've said that, Caroline Cadwallader? I think I've been very specific in what I've accused the police and authorities of.

@username299

"And racism does? You're on a thread about the far right espousing far right views."

Well it took a bit longer than I thought for the first accusation of being far right simply for expressing concerns about the levels of immigration.

For everyone else playing lefty bollocks buzzword bingo the next words to look out for are:
"Racist" and "Fascist".

The winner gets an emoji 🏆

These little girls have been ignored or actually punished for decades and the people that should have been protecting them were too fearful of being accused of Islamophobia to look after them. It's inverse racism against white children and needs to be investigated in the open. Read all the news today. Horrific. We can't hide from the truth to pander to community relations any more.

If they were so "fearful" why did they intimidate, threatened and complained against independent researchers ? They should’ve welcomed them with open arms and given all the support to bring it all out in the open and stop it.

They were fearful indeed, not of being accused of Islamophobia though, but because for years they didn't give a shit , they didn't believe these children , were complicit and covered up what was going on.

It was a fucking brilliant strategy . Not only did it provide them with a great excuse but it shifted focus and anger. Poor,poor police officers (ironically , some forces have been proven to actually be institutionally racist) too afraid to be seen as racist. Give me a fucking break. "Life style choices" , "not a credible witness" .

The university point which you seem to have fixated was that universities which rely on financing mainly from foreign students and which are being used as a route for immigration and residency rather than being good universities in themselves should probably close. This was in reply to.someone claiming that we needed mass immigration just to keep those universities going.

We don't need as many universities or graduates as we currently have anyway.

It's far right to want an ethnostate. It's far right to generalise about people of other cultures and say they're all paedophiles.

You're one of those two tier intellects are you? Colour me surprised.

Regarding foreign students, UK universities would collapse without the money they bring. I work at a university and we're completely dependent on the income they bring (not to mention the cultural enrichment). We were always oversubscribed as a university, until last August. Following on from the summer riots the UK was seen as a hostile environment for foreign students and they've simply stopped applying. We are now struggling to fill our courses and losing money. If this continues into next year we're in serious trouble.
People can't just say "Ban foreign students" because we'll cease to exist without them. What I love about our university is the fact we have students from all over the world. It's a wonderful environment to work and learn in. Incredibly interesting to meet people from all corners of the globe.

@AIBot

"You could stop people coming across on small boats to claim asylum. But these represent less than 3% of immigrants overall, with a majority going on to attain refugee status and ending up working in useful roles. "

Actually it's easier to stop legal migration by just not issuing work visas

It is illegal migration that is much harder to stop because by definition it is illegal. The only thing you can try to do is to make the UK a less attractive destination for illegal migration by things like national ID cards etc

It's not "far right" to want the law to apply to everyone equally no matter what their skin colour is, surely? Or is that far right now? Who knows...the definitions keep changing to encompass more and more of us unwitting fools living in this country.

I can't comment on how widespread that is, but it is certainly a factor.

It's specifically referenced in both the Jay report and the Casey report, and by the IOPC.

e.g. from a 2020 Times report by Andrew Norfolk:

"
After a five-year investigation, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) upheld a complaint that the Rotherham officer told a missing child’s distraught father that the town “would erupt” if it was known that Asian men were routinely having sex with under-age white girls. The chief inspector is said to have described the abuse as “P* shagging” and to have said it had been “going on” for 30 years: “With it being Asians, we can’t afford for this to be coming out.”

His incendiary language features in a confidential report by the watchdog that upholds six complaints against South Yorkshire police by a former child victim of sexual exploitation.
"

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=www.thetimes.com/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358v#googlevignette

And racism does? You're on a thread about the far right espousing far right views.

I don't think your approach works any more I'm afraid. The truth is coming out. I do think Keir will have to go.

There have been several investigations already into the grooming gangs and many men have been imprisoned, so it's factually incorrect to say they've been ignored.

My approach is firmly anti racism and tarring everyone with the same brush. There are approximately 4 million Muslims in the UK and they're not all paedophiles.

As I'm sure you're aware, white British men commit far more child sex offences. It's a scandal that these girls were ignored for so long but the men who committed these crimes were British, not immigrants.

I haven't twisted anything you've said, you've made yourself very clear. You said you don't want more foreigners in the UK, despite being descended from immigrants and would prefer universities to close than take in foreign students.

You also said that paedophilia is part of Muslim culture. I think using the abuse of children as an excuse to spread bile is reprehensible.

@username299

"So you're not talking about immigration, you're talking about asylum seekers.

Seeking asylum is not illegal, no matter how you get into the country. Asylum seekers are only about 2% of immigrants into the UK.

You want to prevent 2% of people and continue to take in 98%?"

You can clearly read from my post that my proposed way to reduce the population of the UK over time is simply to allow the low birth rate of 1.6 to be below the replacement rate of 2.1.

In order for this to work then legal migration needs to be significantly reduced. Legal migration is far far greater than illegal migration.

My point on illegal migration was simply that it was much harder to reduce because by definition it is illegal.

This has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with basic economics.

It is clear though you desperately want to steer the discussion towards illegal migration so that you can shout the far right / racist/ fascist [insert other buzzword] accusations.

Sorry I'm not falling for it - if you can't see that bringing in an additional 900k people to the UK in one year places a burden on infrastructure, the economy and society then you are placing ideology above reality.

Read the papers today.

The thing is, I haven't heard of anyone arguing that the girls don't matter or that Asian men deserve special protection. Not one person. Have you really heard anyone say this? I'm left wing and feel that these girls matter very much, and the Asian perpetrators should rot in jail.
If the authorities were turning a blind eye to this to begin with, then it's scandalous. I don't know if it's true or just what's been reported. If it's true then it must never happen again abd people are right to be furious.
As for two-tier justice, I don't believe this. Have you looked at the sentences given to Asian peadophile rapists and compared them to the sentences given to white peadophile rapists?
I do see a difference in that the focus is very much on Asian grooming gangs and not white grooming gangs. The focus should be on all grooming gangs.

The problem with taking your approach is that people see a problem but they aren't allowed to say out loud what the truth is. This makes the problem worse. You can twist what Ive said and make out I "don't like foreigners" despite being the child of an immigrant or that I have motives that I don't, if you think that's helpful, but ultimately it doesn't matter. Most people in this country according to polls think about the issues the same way I do. Its mainstream now. Fresh air is a good disinfectant.

These little girls have been ignored or actually punished for decades and the people that should have been protecting them were too fearful of being accused of Islamophobia to look after them. It's inverse racism against white children and needs to be investigated in the open. Read all the news today. Horrific. We can't hide from the truth to pander to community relations any more.

Why not be honest? You've already stated that you don't like foreigners. You want universities to close rather than accept foreign students.

You've stated that it's part of Muslim culture to rape children. Now you're deflecting and trying to make out it's because you care about child abuse.

The grooming gangs scandal has been used for a very long time by Robinson and his ilk to drive racism and anti Muslim rhetoric. We've recently had anti Muslim riots driven by this kind of 'thinking'.

Now Musk is stirring it up, supporting Farage and Robinson and driving Islamaphobia. And here you are, quite by coincidence, parroting them.

No. I'm someone who wants rapists and paedophiles to face the full force of the Law no matter what religion, culture or skin colour they may have. Why don't you as well? Is there something different about you?

You're one of those. All Muslims are [fill in the blank].

Ok. British Muslim Asian men. I don't think it makes a vast amount if difference. It's the culture that is relevant and the approach of the police.

I think, as I've mention before, the main scandal is that while paedophiles can have any skin colour, the police and authorities shied away from prosecuting Asian perpetrators specifically in order not to risk community cohesion. Two tier policing.

And it carries on year after year with people trying to excuse the issue or brush it under the carpet rather than a proper investigation so we all know what's true and what isn't.

The left seem to be arguing either that white girls aren't worth protecting if it's at the expense of community cohesion or that Asian Muslim men are somehow "special" and should be allowed to crack on with their paedophilia whereas if it was anyone else in the country there would be uproar. Or both. People should be furious at this.

We absolutely shouldn't shy away from examining the fact that these particular perpetrators were Pakistani or Asian. We need to look very closely at why the men from these groups were committing these very serious crimes.
We also need to bear in mind that these six investigations were looking at Asian grooming gangs so it's not surprising that 97% were Asian. The figures I've seen for grooming gangs in general in the UK is that around 85% of grooming gangs are white.