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So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

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genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:13

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

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Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:22

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 19:34

@Nordione1 here's your own words.

It does make sense but one issue re destabilising the government is the elephant in the room being the PM who stopped prosecutions of the groomers.

You stated as fact that Starmer stopped the prosecution of the rapists. Have you changed your view on that?

No I havent actually. Presumably he did stop the prosecutions. Ultimately he is responsible for the.decsions of his department. For something this big one would assume he would be involved in the decision not to prosecute. Hopefully there will be a national enquiry as to the decisions made, possibly once he's resigned.

suburburban · 04/01/2025 20:14

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/01/2025 17:15

Calling someone "far right" for asking questions or being concerned about uncontrolled immigration & high rates of illegal immigration is exactly like being called "transphobic" for wanting women only spaces or not agreeing TWAW.

It's a weapon designed to get people to shut up and stop asking questions or talking about important issues. They think we will quake in fear at these names and STFU.

It worked for a while but as more people wake up to these tactics they are shrugging the silliness of these abusive labels and talking more.

Most people don't want to be called far right/transphobic etc. But when a person eventually realises what's going on, like the op, they shrug and say ok then, call me what you want but I will still discuss these issues.

huge swathes of very normal central, right leaning & left leaning people are now being called "far right" and "transphobic". It doesn't help anyone or anything.

It just makes people more resentful

I'm in Greater London and feel like the area I was born in has changed beyond recognition and then you become a minority.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:11

MarkWithaC · 04/01/2025 19:33

I don’t disagree that we should preserve/bring back career routes and opportunities like apprenticeships and master crafters.

But is someone studying chemistry at Oxford inherently more desirable than someone studying history at a red-brick?

Who can really say how those two hypothetical people will contribute to or take from society?

I think this is key. Migration has a way of reducing people to economic contributors. This is wrong. Migration is about what a society looks like. We have record levels- but inequalities have never been greater. Many British people are sick and cannot find stable work to support a life that is good.

That got us where we are; competition. And it will lead to riots and overt racism. We are already there. Trump is talking about something like repatriation. Every person in this country should think why that is. Society can go backwards. Racial harmony is not guaranteed.

WhatTheFudges · 04/01/2025 20:10

The country is sinking and will become a hell hole. Our society and infrastructure is dwindling, not improving, therefore eventually anyone not wealthy enough to leave will end up in a life worse off.

Immigration is a problem but we can’t talk about it as it may cause radicals and racism. The reason the gang rapes have all been covered up and swept under the carpet is due to their race. Arresting them and people discovering their race on a national scale could lead to further racism, riots and civil unrest. Letting the child molesters go free through the back door is the lesser of two evils in someone with powers eyes. We are between a rock and a hard place and no one wins, we just all lose.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:10

suburburban · 04/01/2025 19:59

@JRSKSSBH

Yes I think the UK may become like the balkans

I think there has been far too much immigration to the UK since the 90s

That's what happens when British agencies go to poorer countries to actively recruit hospital staff for example, and promoted Britain as the land of milk and honey.

That’s what happens when "employment " agencies are allowed to run and make a business out of exploiting finding work for people with no NI (who hope with legitimate work they'll be able to get one) . All out in the open , with adds in newspapers and online.

That’s just some of the shit that went on through the years.

suburburban · 04/01/2025 20:01

@Comedycook

Yes, far too many students with debt

Same Jobs used to be done without degrees

suburburban · 04/01/2025 19:59

@JRSKSSBH

Yes I think the UK may become like the balkans

I think there has been far too much immigration to the UK since the 90s

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 19:51

If he doesn't authorise someone independent to carry out a national enquiry about the rapes of hundreds of thousands of children in the UK while he was in charge of the DPP and CPS then something is very very wrong with his government.

At least you switched to innuendo and veiled allegations, instead of "fact".

He was head of the DPP from 2008 to 2013. The allegations started in 1997!!! They span 17 years if not longer. But obviously it's just those specific 5 years (when actually something was done about it, even if not enough) that warrant scrutiny?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/01/2025 19:49

MarkWithaC · 04/01/2025 19:28

You don’t address the question of white people missing out on job interviews or medical treatment. Pity as I’d be interested in hearing your answer.

I'll answer on medical appointments. Interesting how you chose to phrase this as 'white people' as though they are the only ones who matter.

Who needs the fastest access to assessment, diagnosis and treatment in terms of overall risk of severity, infectious potential, progression and potential cost benefits - somebody like my mother who will ignore any 'you need to keep your blood sugars down and it would help the pain in your feet if you were to lose three stone' as nonsense - or somebody who hasn't had access to childhood vaccinations, has been consistently malnourished, might have undergone torture, hasn't seen a doctor since childhood, has been living in conditions with inadequate nutrition, clean water or sewerage provision with a group of others from similar places where some have been ill for weeks or months, is unable to access a GP due to a lack of passport/lack of fluent English and is afraid that if they seek help for coughing up blood they'll either be charged thousands or be deported to a camp halfway across the world?

It's not just humanitarian to give access to medical services to people with potentially undiagnosed and untreated disease, it's better for the community in terms of finding and preventing outbreaks of disease and a damn sight cheaper than refusing it and then having to deal with a wider problem.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 19:36

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 19:33

Do you not think that Musk's primary motivation is not money, but power/influence over a country he has openly stated he considers his "homeland" of sorts?

He has way more money than he will ever need, this is spend mode not fundraising mode.

No. He’s going to be paid handsomely if he gets this right. Same playbook as he did in the states. Get paid for cutting public services.

Kaching!

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 19:34

@Nordione1 here's your own words.

It does make sense but one issue re destabilising the government is the elephant in the room being the PM who stopped prosecutions of the groomers.

You stated as fact that Starmer stopped the prosecution of the rapists. Have you changed your view on that?

MarkWithaC · 04/01/2025 19:33

User37482 · 03/01/2025 20:11

I actually think we should let some collapse. We have too many poor quality universities essentially selling degrees as a migration opportunity. I think we should have guilds for trades or a master tradesman attitude that the Germans have. I think we should heavily incentivise those who get into top tier courses or universities or those who have job offers in excess of 100k say. If you are studying chemistry at Oxford I don’t care if you bring granny with you.

Also there are too many economically inactive brits, getting people back into work should be a priority. As a 2nd gen immigrant myself, I get some of this is motivated by racism. There are legitimate concerns over culture I think. For me it’s a simple problem of numbers. We need more uber contributers to make up for the fact that over 50% of the British population take out more than they put in. We need more growth and less dependency. If you are going to basically suck up resources like a hoover then you shouldn’t be considered. If however you are going to be contributing to growth or science and research then yay who cares what you look like or where you come from.

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I don’t disagree that we should preserve/bring back career routes and opportunities like apprenticeships and master crafters.

But is someone studying chemistry at Oxford inherently more desirable than someone studying history at a red-brick?

Who can really say how those two hypothetical people will contribute to or take from society?

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 19:33

Do you not think that Musk's primary motivation is not money, but power/influence over a country he has openly stated he considers his "homeland" of sorts?

He has way more money than he will ever need, this is spend mode not fundraising mode.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 19:30

Musk has his own motivations- chiefly putting in political parties who will give him public money to slim the state so he has his beak open likely a hungry bird for money.

Of course he could decide to open a facility dedicated to the trauma therapy and rehabilitation of abused children. He has the money.

But tweets are cheaper

MarkWithaC · 04/01/2025 19:28

Getmeonaflight · 03/01/2025 21:59

Yes..its all over the news..the rape of white girls ignored because of who they were raped by

You don’t address the question of white people missing out on job interviews or medical treatment. Pity as I’d be interested in hearing your answer.

username299 · 04/01/2025 19:24

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 19:13

He's in charge now. If he doesn't authorise someone independent to carry out a national enquiry about the rapes of hundreds of thousands of children in the UK while he was in charge of the DPP and CPS then something is very very wrong with his government. This will be the most important national enquiry that we will have ever had, affecting the most number of people.

It's getting very tedious repeating the same information to you.

There have been several investigations into the grooming gangs and there was a national Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse in 2022.

Starmer didn't cover up anything, if there were suspicions he had, I'm sure the Tories would have investigated.

You're simply parroting Musk.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 19:24

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 19:19

It is good for the working class of any country if the elites of that country feel more in common with them than they do with the elites of foreign countries.

To me this is partly why Brexit happened. The exam passing classes in England were not badly affected by increased migration. Poorer people were.

Post Brexit and now the middle classes do see it. And they are not happy either.

I am not pro Reform. Or Elon Musk for that matter. But unless we have a national conversation about migration and who comes, then you will get something very nasty that fills the space. You get riots. We need to talk about migration and what problems we have, not just economic benefits for business.

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 19:19

It is good for the working class of any country if the elites of that country feel more in common with them than they do with the elites of foreign countries.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 19:18

It’s a fair point that neither Labour nor Conservatives support a further inquiry. Kemi Badenoch has had to call for something she previously rejected. The idea she would do Labour any favours is absurd.

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 19:18

bombastix · 04/01/2025 18:39

Tbh I think it’s fair to be concerned about migration levels. They are unsustainable. We should be a lot pickier who we admit and who gets a passport. Brexit is a mess in migration terms.

Sweden and Denmark have tightened up their immigration laws. We should do the same. Migration is not just about economics.

I’m on the left politically. But I find it hard to agree that increased migration or diversity really benefits the poorest in the UK. It’s simply compounded and built in a lot of inequality over 25 years. It’s good for exploitation.

I have a few friends from the Nordic countries. Immigration isn't a left/right issue, or if anything, they see it as right wing to support mass immigration because it leads to lower wages, threatens workers' ability to organise, and degrades support for the welfare state which they are very proud of.

Welfare state, mass immigration, not having a deficit - pick two.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 19:13

username299 · 04/01/2025 19:09

He's not blocking a proper enquiry. And as you've already been informed, the Tories rejected a national inquiry as well. Why would the Tories cover up for Starmer?

He's in charge now. If he doesn't authorise someone independent to carry out a national enquiry about the rapes of hundreds of thousands of children in the UK while he was in charge of the DPP and CPS then something is very very wrong with his government. This will be the most important national enquiry that we will have ever had, affecting the most number of people.

username299 · 04/01/2025 19:09

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 19:04

I said he was rubbish. Unfortunately as he is blocking a proper enquiry for some reason interestingly, we may never know whether he actively blocked any investigation (which I'm not sure I said but do quote if I've forgotten) in order to maintain community cohesion. Would it be something you think he might do?

He's not blocking a proper enquiry. And as you've already been informed, the Tories rejected a national inquiry as well. Why would the Tories cover up for Starmer?

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 19:06

username299 · 04/01/2025 19:02

Are you going on tour with this? You're hilarious.

Well she has got a point @username299. 😬. You have got form on the old classic lefty insult. I am a little surprised facist hasn't been thrown at someone willy nilly.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 19:04

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 19:00

@Nordione1 except it was his changes to the legislation that allowed CPS to prosecute some of these rapists.

Also , you claimed he actively interfered and stopped their prosecution, which is a completely different allegation to doing nothing. He did do something. Too little , too late? Possibly.

I said he was rubbish. Unfortunately as he is blocking a proper enquiry for some reason interestingly, we may never know whether he actively blocked any investigation (which I'm not sure I said but do quote if I've forgotten) in order to maintain community cohesion. Would it be something you think he might do?

username299 · 04/01/2025 19:02

1dayatatime · 04/01/2025 19:00

Lefty bollocks buzzword bingo update:

So far we have had the following name calling:

"Far right"
"Racist"
"Bigot"

We now only need to hear "fascist" to call house.

Over to you @username299 !

Are you going on tour with this? You're hilarious.